Micheal Smith |
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This is one of the things that annoys the crap out of me for PFS. They release a companion or a book then you have to wait (most of the time) 2-3 months. I can't afford to just buy the companions, especially seeing is how most of them are subpar and lacking in quality. I only buy them if I will use anything in them. So I have to wait 2-3 months to see what is legal. I really wish they would update that when the source book releases.
I have been waiting to see what is legal from that and the second Adventure Path. Knowing Paizo it will be 2-3 months after release.
Sobak "Future Snake, Elf-Bane" |
My guess is the AR is going to include both AA and Dead Suns AP book 2. I know that Thursty has said it's been sent, so I assume it is completed. I think we're just waiting on it to make it to the top of the web team's "to-do" list so that we can use it. Damoritosh knows, I need some Boots of Trampling from AA and Grim Trophies from T12.
Sobak "Future Snake, Elf-Bane" |
That is also my guess. I think the early to mid November site fix is their top priority and Society play has taken a back burner to that, although I don't think knocking that out at the beginning of the day before resuming work on the site would be much of a challenge given that the end result is to update the text on the AR page, replace the PDF with the new one, replace the existing rules PDF for the AP. They could even wait to add it to the second AP page and just settle it with an official post here until the site catches up.
Replacing 2 PDFs and updating the text on one page shouldn't take more than a few minutes and shouldn't complicate issues, unless they are working on a site backup that they are modifying then planning to publish, which would overwrite and undo this. In which case, we're waiting, but that wouldn't prevent legalization.
A third possibility would be that the OP Team make a post, attach download to the post with the updated AP rules (i.e. second Chronicle sheet added to it) sheet and a copy/paste of the AR text. Make it official until the web team catches up. This way the entire OP community is subject to delays based on technical difficulties. The post can then be updated as expired, retracted, whatever once the web team has time to catch up. Everybody wins in that situation and shows that Paizo is willing to be flexible and work with the community to overcome the Stigma of Pathfinder's notorious delays, rather than having a justification for the status quo.
EC Gamer Guy |
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I'm noticing a disturbing trend in Society Play. A lot of people want everything, right now and for it to be without any errors or confusion rules.
Have some patience.
Paizo says they'll release a scenario a month. People's response is to demand 2 a month and complain they can't play SFS every week.
From feedback from multiple people, AA hardcover isn't worth the money. Get the .pdf or borrow a copy.
Micheal Smith |
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I'm noticing a disturbing trend in Society Play. A lot of people want everything, right now and for it to be without any errors or confusion rules.
Have some patience.
Paizo says they'll release a scenario a month. People's response is to demand 2 a month and complain they can't play SFS every week.
From feedback from multiple people, AA hardcover isn't worth the money. Get the .pdf or borrow a copy.
A lot of people have also complained about the lack of material so they are playing the Adventure Path for society. I am sorry but they truly need a better editing team. For what I pay and as many contradictions and errors that are published is absurd. It doesn’t take a lot to edit. The Starfinder Core book is a perfect example. It is plagued with errors. I am not speaking about issues with the system itself. Forget to add how to fix a drone for a mechanic, left things in there that weren’t supposed to be in there. You can still put quality things out at the pace they are but the editing is horrendous. AA was disappointing coming from a beastiary. I like the AA and hope next one will be bigger.
They can choose better wording for some things. I get this feeling paizo doesn’t care about just want to make money and end it. A lot of their past companions are absaloute trash. I think they really need to slow down the pathfinder companions and make them better quality.
They do need to release more for SFS. That is a fact.
Mark Stratton Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Indianapolis |
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They do need to release more for SFS. That is a fact.
That is opinion. YOUR opinion. Many are quite comfortable with the deliberate pace of the Starfinder release schedule. Yes, I think we ALL want more. And you know what else is a fact? They WILL release more. Maybe it won’t be as fast as you and others would prefer, but they are trying to do this right - to get high quality scenarios that will be entertaining and keep people wanting more.
No one except Paizo knows what, ultimately, the release schedule will be.
As to your other points:
Editing is NOT an easy process, and there is no way to make it an error-proof process. Yes, I wish some of the issues hadn’t crept into the Starfinder book, but it happens. And it will always happen.
But, there’s a balance to be struck, and if I have to accept a slower release schedule so that I get better edited products, that’s a choice that I find reasonable. Others may not, and I can understand that.
Micheal Smith |
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Micheal Smith wrote:
They do need to release more for SFS. That is a fact.That is opinion. YOUR opinion. Many are quite comfortable with the deliberate pace of the Starfinder release schedule. Yes, I think we ALL want more. And you know what else is a fact? They WILL release more. Maybe it won’t be as fast as you and others would prefer, but they are trying to do this right - to get high quality scenarios that will be entertaining and keep people wanting more.
No one except Paizo knows what, ultimately, the release schedule will be.
As to your other points:
Editing is NOT an easy process, and there is no way to make it an error-proof process. Yes, I wish some of the issues hadn’t crept into the Starfinder book, but it happens. And it will always happen.But, there’s a balance to be struck, and if I have to accept a slower release schedule so that I get better edited products, that’s a choice that I find reasonable. Others may not, and I can understand that.
It’s not an opinion. People are already annoyed they have to play the adventure path as society. Do to the lack of scenarios. Some of us only can play society. Only being able to play once a month is unacceptable. They can release 2 a month and still be fine. People will lose interest in the lack of scenarios and then it will be to late.
Editing is not that hard. A lot of these mistakes are truly unacceptable, especially for Paid material. When you contradict yourself in the same paragraph, that my sir is unacceptable. I am not an English major or even all that great at editing but I find errors that were easily spotted.
Also I do find an issue when the scenario leaves things out, like placement of figures. This is a pretty important detail. Using forms to keep up with this is crap. If there is an errata to a scenario then on that scenarios page put a pdf document like the do with the rulebooks.
Also the Starfinder Core Rulebook was not ready to be released. Again they are rushing for no reason.
Stop trying to add more stuff on top of the old especially if the old isn’t done. Again they are putting to many companion out and are below average in terms of what you are playing.
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Some of us only can play society.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If you don't feel that there's enough content to play in Starfinder society yet, play one of the many MANY third-party adventures that has been published already for Starfinder, or have your GM make something up. No one should feel like they're restricted to only playing organized play. Branch out, play a DnD scenario or something, or pick up the Pathfinder Adventure Card game and play that for a session.
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Micheal Smith |
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Micheal Smith wrote:Some of us only can play society.That makes no sense whatsoever. If you don't feel that there's enough content to play in Starfinder society yet, play one of the many MANY third-party adventures that has been published already for Starfinder, or have your GM make something up. No one should feel like they're restricted to only playing organized play. Branch out, play a DnD scenario or something, or pick up the Pathfinder Adventure Card game and play that for a session.
Not sure if you understood. But it was supposed to say some of us can only play society. I am not in charge of scheduling Starfinder. That is up to out venture LT and Captain. I only have the option of playing sanction content. What ever our store coordinators offer, I don’t play at the same tables with the same 3-5 people. I don’t have the option of doing anything 3rd party. All of my play goes in to society.
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cartmanbeck wrote:Not sure if you understood. But it was supposed to say some of us can only play society. I am not in charge of scheduling Starfinder. That is up to out venture LT and Captain. I only have the option of playing sanction content. What ever our store coordinators offer, I don’t play at the same tables with the same 3-5 people. I don’t have the option of doing anything 3rd party. All of my play goes in to society.Micheal Smith wrote:Some of us only can play society.That makes no sense whatsoever. If you don't feel that there's enough content to play in Starfinder society yet, play one of the many MANY third-party adventures that has been published already for Starfinder, or have your GM make something up. No one should feel like they're restricted to only playing organized play. Branch out, play a DnD scenario or something, or pick up the Pathfinder Adventure Card game and play that for a session.
I understood, I'm just saying that doesn't make sense. If you want to play and there's not enough content, just play non-sanctioned stuff FOR FUN.
Micheal Smith |
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Also, you're simultaneously saying that they don't publish quickly enough but all of their recent products have been published hastily. Make up your mind.
Maybe I wasn’t clear enough on this. But they are releasing to much content for PATHFINDER. I have specifically said this now 2 times in regards to companions. I could care less about these companions. I would rather more time spent on scenarios and perfecting those. Again the last several companions have been very subpar and not worth the content. I would like to see better quality in a lot of these and seem the, fewer. Take more time to develop stories and perfect them. Male content worth the while.
Example I had high hopes for the monk archetype in the elemental companion. If I hit 2 times or more I can as a swift action attempt a bull rush for hurricane punch is really subpar. Concept wise it doesn’t make sense. If he second consecutive attack you get a free bull rush attempt. Look at how many ways there are for one to get free bull rush attempts.
Micheal Smith |
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Micheal Smith wrote:I understood, I'm just saying that doesn't make sense. If you want to play and there's not enough content, just play non-sanctioned stuff FOR FUN.cartmanbeck wrote:Not sure if you understood. But it was supposed to say some of us can only play society. I am not in charge of scheduling Starfinder. That is up to out venture LT and Captain. I only have the option of playing sanction content. What ever our store coordinators offer, I don’t play at the same tables with the same 3-5 people. I don’t have the option of doing anything 3rd party. All of my play goes in to society.Micheal Smith wrote:Some of us only can play society.That makes no sense whatsoever. If you don't feel that there's enough content to play in Starfinder society yet, play one of the many MANY third-party adventures that has been published already for Starfinder, or have your GM make something up. No one should feel like they're restricted to only playing organized play. Branch out, play a DnD scenario or something, or pick up the Pathfinder Adventure Card game and play that for a session.
Please propose how? If I can’t get a home campaign going I can’t get not sanctioned content. Again I have NO CONTROL over what is ran. People show up to play sanctioned content.
Mark Stratton Venture-Lieutenant, Indiana—Indianapolis |
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Not sure if you understood. But it was supposed to say some of us can only play society. I am not in charge of scheduling Starfinder. That is up to out venture LT and Captain. I only have the option of playing sanction content. What ever our store coordinators offer, I don’t play at the same tables with the same 3-5 people. I don’t have the option of doing anything 3rd party. All of my play goes in to society.
Actually, that’s not entirely true. Your VOs may handle scheduling games or whatever in stores, but you and a group of friends can play PFS/SFS in your own home. Set up your own event, run the game, and report it. Lots of people do that. So, you don’t need a VO to do that for you.
Many people don’t know they can do this, and think the only play option is to play in stores. Now, if you don’t have anyone else to play with except the people who show up to play in the store (that is, you don’t have your own gaming group), I can understand that being problematic.
Micheal Smith |
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Micheal Smith wrote:Not sure if you understood. But it was supposed to say some of us can only play society. I am not in charge of scheduling Starfinder. That is up to out venture LT and Captain. I only have the option of playing sanction content. What ever our store coordinators offer, I don’t play at the same tables with the same 3-5 people. I don’t have the option of doing anything 3rd party. All of my play goes in to society.
Actually, that’s not entirely true. Your VOs may handle scheduling games or whatever in stores, but you and a group of friends can play PFS/SFS in your own home. Set up your own event, run the game, and report it. Lots of people do that. So, you don’t need a VO to do that for you.
Many people don’t know they can do this, and think the only play option is to play in stores. Now, if you don’t have anyone else to play with except the people who show up to play in the store (that is, you don’t have your own gaming group), I can understand that being problematic.
I do know about doing that. Again I have no other ways other then the nights we played. I have tried. I even started writing my own campaign in hopes of me day running it. Till the. All I have is society.
EC Gamer Guy |
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Wait. You just demanded a faster release schedule and then criticized for releasing unfinished product before it was ready. "Rushing for no reason" you called it.
And noone is forcing you to only play once a month. There are home games. There is also 9+ years of PFS scenarios to play.
Mark Stratton wrote:Micheal Smith wrote:
They do need to release more for SFS. That is a fact.That is opinion. YOUR opinion. Many are quite comfortable with the deliberate pace of the Starfinder release schedule. Yes, I think we ALL want more. And you know what else is a fact? They WILL release more. Maybe it won’t be as fast as you and others would prefer, but they are trying to do this right - to get high quality scenarios that will be entertaining and keep people wanting more.
No one except Paizo knows what, ultimately, the release schedule will be.
As to your other points:
Editing is NOT an easy process, and there is no way to make it an error-proof process. Yes, I wish some of the issues hadn’t crept into the Starfinder book, but it happens. And it will always happen.But, there’s a balance to be struck, and if I have to accept a slower release schedule so that I get better edited products, that’s a choice that I find reasonable. Others may not, and I can understand that.
It’s not an opinion. People are already annoyed they have to play the adventure path as society. Do to the lack of scenarios. Some of us only can play society. Only being able to play once a month is unacceptable. They can release 2 a month and still be fine. People will lose interest in the lack of scenarios and then it will be to late.
Editing is not that hard. A lot of these mistakes are truly unacceptable, especially for Paid material. When you contradict yourself in the same paragraph, that my sir is unacceptable. I am not an English major or even all that great at editing but I find errors that were easily spotted.
Also I do find an issue when the scenario leaves things out, like placement of figures. This is a pretty important detail. Using forms to keep up with this is crap. If there is an errata to a scenario then on that scenarios page put a pdf document like the do with the rulebooks.
Also the Starfinder Core Rulebook was not ready to be released. Again...
EC Gamer Guy |
Get on whatever forum is used to to schedule your SFS games. Arrange to play 3rd party games at the game store on the weeks where there is not a SFS game. There is no restriction to playing beyond asking others to play.
If you're too shy to do that (some of us are), then ask the VC/VL/VA or any GM to organize something on the off weeks. Offer to buy the modules for them to run as an incentive.
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And noone is forcing you to only play once a month. There are home games. There is also 9+ years of PFS scenarios to play.
While I agree with your overall sentiment play a completely different game (although similar in a lot of ways) isn't really responsive.
Micheal Smith |
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EC Gamer Guy, I just stated several times that I can't do HOME Campaigns, did you read what I put? Seriously. Also that was opinion of the book. It clearly needed to be reedited several more times. Too many BASIC mistakes. But that is irrelevant because it is already out. I am sure I never used "unfinished" for Starfinder. I may have used similar wording for Pathfinder. But please read what I posted and stop twisting things.
Again the Rushing was referenced for Pathfinder. That had nothing to do with Starfinder. The issue with Starfinder is the poor editing, which I sort of expected after seeing this in Pathfinder. Again read what I posted.
What part of I can only play sanction society game, WHICH I HAVE NO CONTROL IN SCHEDULING, did you not understand? Seriously. Also I already told you why I can't do 3rd party stuff. Everyone shows up to play SANCTION society games. Again please read what was posted before posting. Then for your last point, REALLY dude. If I could get something organized on the off days, we play once a week, then I could just do it at, go wait let me guess a home campaign.
We play once a week. I have already played a good 75% of the PFS. Starfinder is by far my favorite setting. But being only to play SFS once a month do to lack of content is not my fault at all.
I have already tried everything you have suggested. I can't make anyone play if the don't want to. Most of the people I play don't like third party stuff, a lot of balancing issues. It's there.
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If you can't play games, please consider running games. Perhaps you can join an online game.
Moreover please take a moment to think about the tone in which your responses are being made. You have people making constructive suggestions to you . If they don't work for you that's understandable, but lashing out isn't going to get you into a new game faster.
I see your frustration, it sucks not being able to do what you love. I bet your not alone.
Micheal Smith |
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If you can't play games, please consider running games. Perhaps you can join an online game.
Moreover please take a moment to think about the tone in which your responses are being made. You have people making constructive suggestions to you . If they don't work for you that's understandable, but lashing out isn't going to get you into a new game faster.
I see your frustration, it sucks not being able to do what you love. I bet your not alone.
I will not run a Starfinder game if I have not played it. If I do that then I know what happens and I don't meta game. I hate running then playing.
Also I am tired of repeating myself because people refuse to ACTUALLY read what I posted. Also i am tired of people twisting what I said to make me look dumb/lesser or whatever you wish to call it. Everything EC Gamer Guy suggested I either answered said why I couldn't or he twisted what I stated. Hold people accountable for their actions instead of me an my tone.
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You can run games and then play in them without metagaming.
And people aren’t twisting what your saying, they’re offering solutions, which you’ve said you are unfortunately unable to do, and other options and you’re outright refusing those and instead just lashing out at Paizo for not doing what you want and at other posters for trying to help.
Herald |
Herald wrote:If you can't play games, please consider running games. Perhaps you can join an online game.
Moreover please take a moment to think about the tone in which your responses are being made. You have people making constructive suggestions to you . If they don't work for you that's understandable, but lashing out isn't going to get you into a new game faster.
I see your frustration, it sucks not being able to do what you love. I bet your not alone.
I will not run a Starfinder game if I have not played it. If I do that then I know what happens and I don't meta game. I hate running then playing.
Also I am tired of repeating myself because people refuse to ACTUALLY read what I posted. Also i am tired of people twisting what I said to make me look dumb/lesser or whatever you wish to call it. Everything EC Gamer Guy suggested I either answered said why I couldn't or he twisted what I stated. Hold people accountable for their actions instead of me an my tone.
Never suggested that you run something you haven't played, nor do I think that your dumb or lesser. Just suggesting something that can be fun, and get you to know your fellow players. You can run Pathfinder Society games and then I'm sure you can build a rep that will allow you to run games elsewhere. It will take time, but you will have fun along the way.
We all want to help, part of the issue here is that we all see your frustration, but what we don't see (and it's the internet, it masks all speech in a strange way) is that you acknowledge people suggestions in the spirit that it was given.
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Herald wrote:If you can't play games, please consider running games. Perhaps you can join an online game.
Moreover please take a moment to think about the tone in which your responses are being made. You have people making constructive suggestions to you . If they don't work for you that's understandable, but lashing out isn't going to get you into a new game faster.
I see your frustration, it sucks not being able to do what you love. I bet your not alone.
I will not run a Starfinder game if I have not played it. If I do that then I know what happens and I don't meta game. I hate running then playing.
Also I am tired of repeating myself because people refuse to ACTUALLY read what I posted. Also i am tired of people twisting what I said to make me look dumb/lesser or whatever you wish to call it. Everything EC Gamer Guy suggested I either answered said why I couldn't or he twisted what I stated. Hold people accountable for their actions instead of me an my tone.
Somebody has to run it first. Why not take turns doing so, and ever 3rd or 4th Starfinder scenario you take the hit. That way you aren't just expecting someone else to take the same hit you are unwilling to take.
Shaudius |
I would advise anybody who exclusively plays organized games to not purchase Paizo products until they are sanctioned in additional resources, as the time intervals for sanctioning are unpredictable, and the things you want to use may or may not be on the sanctioned list.
Its kind of a non-issue for Starfinder at this point because there's already content sanctioned from Alien Archive (although not everything that will be in the AR presumably) and Dead Suns 2 is definitely going to be sanctioned for play.
This is definitely true for Pathfinder though where every new book isn't super important to the setting, right now for Starfinder though even the next book Pact Worlds is likely going be useful even just for background outside of organized play even if you exclusively do organized play.
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Dear Thursty,
Please take however long you need to make parts of the AA legal. Same goes for book two of Dead Suns. I'm fine with waiting for you to figure out what things you want to introduce in scenarios, boons, or later in the campaign.
Like, maybe we do a scenario where we fight that sweet space eel then get access to its hide for crafting. Or we do some stuff on Eox and can play one of them nicer undead dudes at the end of some reputation gaining. Something like that.
I also would love to see some stuff on Castrovel cause I've been reading book two and damn--that place is all kinds of alien Jurassic Park meets abandoned technology and ancient ruins. Have you been reading my wish journal? Does this mean we're gonna get something with everyone's favorite space whale: the Oma? If we do please PLEASE include a starship boon slot that's a space whale for future games. I love those space whales.
Thanks again.
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As a note, due to some delays in getting the Additional Resources for Alien Archive and Dead Suns # 2 posted onto the site, I've also had time to complete the notes and sanctioning Chronicle on Dead Suns #3 as well. I've sent all of these updates to the appropriate department to get updated on the website, so we should be expecting those in the near future. In case anything comes up to push this post date back, I won't give a specific date, but expect Soon™.
Similarly, John and I have prepared some additional updates/material that I know people have been asking about. Expect to see those in the near-ish future as well.
Thanks for your patience everyone. Also, happy holidays to all you Americans out there :)
Zahir ibn Mahmoud ibn Jothan RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16 |
As a note, due to some delays in getting the Additional Resources for Alien Archive and Dead Suns # 2 posted onto the site, I've also had time to complete the notes and sanctioning Chronicle on Dead Suns #3 as well. I've sent all of these updates to the appropriate department to get updated on the website, so we should be expecting those in the near future. In case anything comes up to push this post date back, I won't give a specific date, but expect Soon™.
Similarly, John and I have prepared some additional updates/material that I know people have been asking about. Expect to see those in the near-ish future as well.
Thanks for your patience everyone. Also, happy holidays to all you Americans out there :)
Woot! Thanks!
Now go eat some turkey!
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So a strange post for me, but I'm rather disappointed that NONE of the races made it into AR. I thought the regional rotating boon idea was pretty neat. But with 20 races I figured there was plenty of room to let some of those out into the wild unrestricted. I played a good chunk of the existing scenarios on pre-gens and was looking forward to something in Alien Archive sparky me to finally make a real character.
Thurston Hillman Starfinder Society Developer |
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So a strange post for me, but I'm rather disappointed that NONE of the races made it into AR. I thought the regional rotating boon idea was pretty neat. But with 20 races I figured there was plenty of room to let some of those out into the wild unrestricted. I played a good chunk of the existing scenarios on pre-gens and was looking forward to something in Alien Archive sparky me to finally make a real character.
That's completely understandable. For now, the intent of the Organized Play Team is to ensure we give our core races their time to shine (after all, we're only 4 month into the campaign.) Expect more and more races to be made available through means like Chronicle sheets from scenarios, and possible future changes to Additional Resources.