I am reading the material and I am interpreting it in a particular manner, but I am unsure of the validity of my interpretations.
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The phrenic archetype brings in changes at the following levels- 2, 4, 6, 9, 12, 18
The rules for mystics with archetypes state- For any level at which an archetype provides an alternate class feature, a mystic who takes the archetype alters or replaces the listed class features.
I am interpreting this to mean it does so from the beginning- 1st level, even if it is a result of a 6th or 18th level change. Does it do so from the beginning or when the change takes place?
Example 1: the phrenic archetype introduces phrenic awakening at level 2
The Mystic change for an archetype that introduces something at level 2 is- For the highest level of mystic spell you can cast, reduce the number of mystic spells known by 1... The rule goes on to describe how this effects levels 2, 3, and 4.
Question: Does this apply at level 1 also?
Example 2: the phrenic archetype introduces phrenic senses at level 6
The Mystic change for an archetype that introduces something at level 6 is-You don’t gain access to the highest-level connection power you would normally have access to.
Question: Does this start at level 6 when you would normally gain a 6th level connection power or does it start at level 1? IOW, do you gain the level 1 and level 3 powers normally and then gain a delayed progression starting at 6 or are you delayed from the beginning and don't gain the level 1 connection power until level 3? The same can be asked of the level 18 replacement change- is your access to the second highest level power delayed until level 18 or do you not gain your level 1 power until level 6?
Similar questions can be asked regarding access to connection spells...
It starts at the level listed, obviously. They have them placed at the levels they do because that's when you would otherwise gain that feature or increase.
It starts at the level listed, obviously. They have them placed at the levels they do because that's when you would otherwise gain that feature or increase.
I don't think that is so obvious...
The phrenic archetype tells when something is gained. The mystic paragraphs in the archetype section tells what happens if a mystic takes an archetype with replacements at certain levels.p 126 SFCRB
When you first gain an archetype, read through all the altered or replaced class features that will affect your character, and note these down; for some classes (especially mystics and technomancers) these changes affect features from levels before or after the levels at which you gain archetype features.
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It starts at the level listed, obviously. They have them placed at the levels they do because that's when you would otherwise gain that feature or increase.I don't think that is so obvious...
The phrenic archetype tells when something is gained. The mystic paragraphs in the archetype section tells what happens if a mystic takes an archetype with replacements at certain levels.p 126 SFCRB
When you first gain an archetype, read through all the altered or replaced class features that will affect your character, and note these down; for some classes (especially mystics and technomancers) these changes affect features from levels before or after the levels at which you gain archetype features.
That's because the 12th level altered or replaced mystic class feature actually kicks in at 11th level, as noted on page 127.
Since you don't have to choose an archetype until the first level it would have a swapped out class feature (per Gaining an Archetype on page 126), obviously no 2nd level feature would cause you to lose something at 1st level, or everyone would just decide not to take the archetype until 2nd level.