
Practisite |
Hello,
During tonight's session, the following occurred. The enemy was flying 15 feet off the ground. A summoned dire tiger (10' long, 5' reach) was ruled unable to attack it.
The question was asked, "can the tiger get on its hind legs to get a single bite attack or claw attack?" Answer was no, that was not permitted.
So the question is... why not? I haven't found this in the rules. It is ten feet long and has five feet reach. Is this covered anywhere?

Jeraa |
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Hello,
During tonight's session, the following occurred. The enemy was flying 15 feet off the ground. A summoned dire tiger (10' long, 5' reach) was ruled unable to attack it.
The question was asked, "can the tiger get on its hind legs to get a single bite attack or claw attack?" Answer was no, that was not permitted.
So the question is... why not? I haven't found this in the rules. It is ten feet long and has five feet reach. Is this covered anywhere?
Actual height or length doesn't matter. It all depends on a creatures space and reach.
Being 15 feet off the ground puts the creature in the 4th square.
C (15 feet off ground, flying creature)
R (10 feet off ground, tigers reach)
X (5 feet off ground, tigers space)
X (ground level/touching ground, tigers space)
The tiger occupies the X spaces, can reach up to the R space, but the flying creature is beyond that.

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Have the tiger charge, make an acrobatics check to jump, and then use pounce to bring it down :)
*Winner*.
(Also, I'd go with cats and other supple-spined creatures such as weasels, but not horses or boars, being able to "stand" as a move action, transforming from a long creature into a tall one. They're not good at balancing upright, however, and need to continue expending the move to keep upright.)

RealAlchemy |
Large occupies a 10 by 10 by 10 cube, and without reach the tiger can reach into the squares at 15 foot height, though the target would have high ground against the tiger. Dire tiger has a 40 foot move speed for a +4 to jump, so on a 10 the tiger is making DC20 to get 5 feet off the ground. Pretty sure the tiger can reach your target and treat it like a very large ball of yarn.

Cattleman |

Personally, I'd probably allow a "Jump Attack" type deal. It's very cinematic and it is more difficult than an attack (you have to make a jump check and probably a Disadvantage Attack on it) so it seems fine. I've had some jump (down) attacks that were pretty cool, and I am generally pretty liberal with letting people do cool things; but it's not PFS and I like screwing with the game.

DungeonmasterCal |

A tiger can leap to the top of a large elephant's head (up to 12 feet) to attack a rider. So in a fantasy setting adding 3 feet wouldn't be a stretch. Like Cattleman I'm a fan of the rule of cool and I'll bend a rule if an action can be made to look better or more cinematic. RAW is often a bit restrictive and keeps things from working out as cool as I'd like to visualize or do things.

wraithstrike |

Personally, I'd probably allow a "Jump Attack" type deal. It's very cinematic and it is more difficult than an attack (you have to make a jump check and probably a Disadvantage Attack on it) so it seems fine. I've had some jump (down) attacks that were pretty cool, and I am generally pretty liberal with letting people do cool things; but it's not PFS and I like screwing with the game.
What is a disadvantage attack?