Archiving sites other than Nethys and d20pfsrd?


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Shadow Lodge

d20pfsrd's list of potions doesn't appear to have been updated in years, and Nethys is, I think, just plain busted (it only lists half a dozen).

...I'm trying to quickly browse all the new potion-applicable spells which have appeared since circa 2015-ish.


that's by design, that way content creators can make money off of book sales for a decent amount of time b4 its added to a site for people to view for free


It's possible to use the spells database on d20pfsrd or pathfinderwiki.net, then filter the view based on casting time & range. Filtering on level there is harder unfortunately, but you can at least see 'cleric/oracle 9, druid 9, witch 9, shaman 9' or similar and skip over it.

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Lady-J wrote:
that's by design
You know this for a fact, or is it just a guess?
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that way content creators can make money off of book sales for a decent amount of time b4 its added to a site for people to view for free

The major reasons why this is incorrect:

* PFS (whose players account a very large if not majority Pathfinder customer base) requires ownership (physical books or watermarked PDFs), and most in said campaign are not going to buy a dozen PDFs of the books containing the feats and items they want -- unless they already know what they are.

Paizo has hundreds of Pathfinder products now, and even if I owned every single PDF it'd be a gargantuan PITA to laboriously shuffle back and forth between them looking at spell descriptions, and trying to have more than a dozen pdfs open at the same time bogs the system.

Thus, lists are highly desirable.


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In my experience, PFS is a small minority of Pathfinder players. I wonder if Paizo has actual numbers on that.

Grand Lodge

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Yeah, no archiving site is gonna list every possible potion as its kinda redundant. Any spell of 3rd level and lower that affects 1 or more creature or objects and isn't personal can be made into a potion.

There's just no need to make that list as you can just look through spells.

Even Paizo itself hasn't published a table with all possible potions.

Shadow Lodge

"In my experience", all Pathfinder players I've ever met F2F are or were in PFS to some extent.

-- But that's how anecdotal works.

Shadow Lodge

Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Yeah, no archiving site is gonna list every possible potion as its kinda redundant. Any spell of 3rd level and lower that affects 1 or more creature or objects and isn't personal can be made into a potion.
The entire *point* of an "archiving site" (particularly one with the word "archive" in its name) is that listing things is their "one job".
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There's just no need to make that list as you can just look through spells.

Uh-huh....

Let's see now, at last count there were 25 Core books, 43 Modules (that number seems way small), 26 Companions, 49 Settings, and 79 Adventure Paths, not counting errata (which I would really need as well). Assuming that I broke the piggybank for all 222 of those, sight-unseen, it would still take me how many *years* to quickly dash through them all on a 2nd-level spell-hunt or sub-4000gp item-hunt in the case I don't have fully eidetic memory from the first time I read them?

-- I don't think some of you fully appreciate how HUGE this game is now.

Browsing archive sites is not only a luxury, it's neigh mandatory.


Well, you don't buy them all at once.

Or at least, I didn't.


Sir Thugsalot wrote:

"In my experience", all Pathfinder players I've ever met F2F are or were in PFS to some extent.

-- But that's how anecdotal works.

^-^

You need to get out more, you might meet a better, more diverse, class of people.

The gods punish you if you pass up too many straight lines don'cha know.


Sir Thugsalot wrote:

"In my experience", all Pathfinder players I've ever met F2F are or were in PFS to some extent.

-- But that's how anecdotal works.

I've never played PFS and I don't think I ever will. None of the people I've ever played with F2F have either. Now it's possible that people that I play with online also play PFS on the side but none have said so.

"anecdotal" = "whose players account a very large if not majority Pathfinder customer base". I'd NEED to see some kind of accounting with real actual numbers to believe that. Without it, I'd have to stick with Melkiador; It sure doesn't seem that way where I play.

I'll also agree with Jurassic Pratt. Making a list of potions is pure busy work for the sites and I think the VAST majority of people would rather figure out their own potions and have them spend their limited time updating the sites with new material.

And as avr mentioned, it's fairly easy to use a search for the spells usable. If you really want each and every possible potion listed, it might be a good idea for YOU to collate the list and send off a list to the sites in question. They might list them if someone does the legwork for them. If you trust the site to list every spell then it's just a matter of looking through those lists so no cash/money is needed is there? ;)


Sir Thugsalot wrote:

"In my experience", all Pathfinder players I've ever met F2F are or were in PFS to some extent.

-- But that's how anecdotal works.

Of all the people who I know the only one to play PFS at all is me and that was once at a game convention and I won't bother again if other game options are available.

So our experience is exactly the opposite of each other

Grand Lodge

Sir Thugsalot wrote:

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Let's see now, at last count there were 25 Core books, 43 Modules (that number seems way small), 26 Companions, 49 Settings, and 79 Adventure Paths, not counting errata (which I would really need as well). Assuming that I broke the piggybank for all 222 of those, sight-unseen, it would still take me how many *years* to quickly dash through them all on a 2nd-level spell-hunt or sub-4000gp item-hunt in the case I don't have fully eidetic memory from the first time I read them?

-- I don't think some of you fully appreciate how HUGE this game is now.

Browsing archive sites is not only a luxury, it's neigh mandatory.

Well, you're misinterpreting what I said for one.

I didn't say you needed to buy and flip through all those books or that archive sites weren't needed. I said you could just look through the spell lists on those sites to find what which ones can be made into potions.


There is another source: pathfindercommunity.net

The spells section takes quite a while to load, but is pretty much complete, I think. Updates just recently stopped. Note that among its columns it has sortable levels for the separate classes, and, more obvious, a range column.

I used to export to CSV and cut down the columns and lines to what I need - but the export button is gone now. According to the notes the responsible person is Mike Chopswil, chopswil>at<comcast.net (replace the >at< with an @, didn't want him to get more spam). Maybe he will readd the button if asked nicely.

Shadow Lodge

Jurassic Pratt wrote:
Sir Thugsalot wrote:

<waybackmachine to earlier today, top 'o the page>

...d20pfsrd's list of potions doesn't appear to have been updated in years, and Nethys is, I think, just plain busted (it only lists half a dozen)....

<floor the DeLorean back into the future, McFly>

Well, you're misinterpreting what I said for one. I didn't say you needed to buy and flip through all those books or that archive sites weren't needed. I said you could just look through the spell lists on those sites to find what which ones can be made into potions.

Which means you misinterpreted the OP, because you can't accomplish what you just suggested if the spell isn't *listed*. Said lament being the whole point of the thread.

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So...I take it there aren't any other sites?

Shadow Lodge

SheepishEidolon wrote:
There is another source: pathfindercommunity.net

*Thanks!*

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Edit: Dangit; that site is really old.


The spells are listed. Just under spells. People are suggesting you look under spells 3 and lower and effect objects / creatures that aren't personal. If you meet these requirements, it's a potion candidate.

THE (likely) reason they aren't listed is because that's a pain in the ass and they don't want to, nor do they owe anyone anything to do so.

Plus side Nethys does a great job of hunters spell list.

Sovereign Court

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

They provide one big list, and it is up to you to filter on. No sense doubling the workload to maintain two lists when technology exists.

When viewing the Current list of spells:
1. Click Data -> Filter Views -> Create new temporary filter views
2. Click the dropdown arrow next to "spell level"
3. Under "Filter by Conditions", select "Custom Formula"
4. Copy '=REGEXMATCH(E2,"[1-3]")' into the box (omit the single quotes)
This gets you all the spells that are level 1, 2, or 3 on any spell list
5. Click the arrow next to "range"
6. Under "Filter by Conditions", select "Text does not contain" and enter "personal"
7. Click the arrow next to "casting time"
8. Under "Filter by Conditions", select "Text does not contain" and enter "minute"
9. Click the arrow next to "target"
10. Under "Filter by Conditions", select "Text contains" and enter "creature" for oils, change to "object"

There you go!

You can add the spreadsheet to your own Google Drive for easier access.


Sir Thugsalot wrote:

"In my experience", all Pathfinder players I've ever met F2F are or were in PFS to some extent.

-- But that's how anecdotal works.

Not sure about face to face games, but judging by the populations looking for group on roll 20, PFS games are super rare. Also a majority of games are home brew, but there are also a lot of games using some AP.

I've only heard of people playing PFS at gaming or comic stores. No one seems to play it at home. Back when I was doing PFS, it eventually fell apart and then a few of the people who met up there went on to do non-PFS pathfinder.


Daw wrote:


The gods punish you if you pass up too many straight lines don'cha know.

Are you implying that the gods are crooked?


SheepishEidolon wrote:

There is another source: pathfindercommunity.net

I used to export to CSV and cut down the columns and lines to what I need - but the export button is gone now.

Well, not exactly.

Go to http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/tools/spells-db, where it shows the exact same google doc with the menu. Click File -> Download as, and select your style.

/cevah

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