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I noticed there is a new kickstarter by Ninja Division for the Starfinder miniatures but after reading the comments I am hesitant to back it because of the issues with the previous kickstarters from this company. They seem to be have switched names for this Kickstarter from Soda POP Miniatures and that makes me very nervous. Is Paizo aware of this companies failed promises and issues with previous products?

What are others thoughts on this Kickstarter?

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There are still a few (at least two) older Kickstarters unfullfilled.

Ninja Division couldn´t hold the initial date for the unpainted AND painted Starfinder miniatures and has no current release date for them.

Personally I won´t back the Kickstarter, because i don´t want unpainted minis and the price of $100 or $180 is way to high.


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I'm holding out hope that Wizkids or Reaper gets a crack at making Starfinder minis.

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

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We are aware of some of the issues with some of the earlier campaigns, but we are confident in the work that Ninja Division has shown us so far, in the Starfinder miniatures they have already produced and sold at Gen Con, and in their ability to deliver this project in the timeframe they have promised.

Silver Crusade

I hope you're right, Erik. I'm not personally familiar with Ninja Division, but seeing all the negative comments on their Kickstarter page has me pretty worried where I would otherwise be very excited for this.


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ograx wrote:

I noticed there is a new kickstarter by Ninja Division for the Starfinder miniatures but after reading the comments I am hesitant to back it because of the issues with the previous kickstarters from this company. They seem to be have switched names for this Kickstarter from Soda POP Miniatures and that makes me very nervous. Is Paizo aware of this companies failed promises and issues with previous products?

What are others thoughts on this Kickstarter?

For me it's all about communication. Older projects being hideously overdue doesn't mean much to me (I go into kickstarters pretty much expecting the creator has been overconfident in their ability to deliver on time, to be frank).

My concern with the previous kickstarters is that it seems they have been adopting the 'radio silence' method of crisis management, which is a much bigger alarm bell for me when it comes to crowdfunding.

As I understand things they've recently assigned staff to each kickstarter to manage communications, so I hope things will improve going forward.

It's definitely at the forefront of my mind though. Staying silent about problems might be easier, but it doesn't make them go away.

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Erik Mona wrote:
We are aware of some of the issues with some of the earlier campaigns, but we are confident in the work that Ninja Division has shown us so far, in the Starfinder miniatures they have already produced and sold at Gen Con, and in their ability to deliver this project in the timeframe they have promised.

You should seriously reconsider. I backed their Robotech campaign with Pallidium Books, over 4 years, three houses, and two states ago and I still don't have my product. I initially chalked up to pallidium since they are notorious for over promising and never delivering, but ND has had two other projects since they haven't delivered on. Please Paizo is such a good company with so much good will, the Starfinder binding issue is nothing, doesn't bother me at all that I'm now on my third book b/c of it because Paizo has earned my trust and confidence. ND has earned the opposite and they are going to be parasites on your good reputation and I beg you to strongly reconsider.

Edit: this isn't the complaining of someone naive to how kickstarter works. I've spent upwards of $10000 on kickstarter projects, I've seen many delays for many different products from star citizen to polyhero dice. ND deserves their infamy. It's disturbing kickstarter even allows them to post new projects at this point

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Yeah, though I do want official Starfinder minis, two undelivered campaigns and then taking on another?

Sorry, but I'm gonna have to skip this one, because while I don't have a high expectation from kickstarters, and usually buy them as a present to future me, this is a lot of money for a risky return.


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I've been systematically devouring every official Starfinder Product. I don't HAVE everything yet but I am close... I'm glad I took time to do some research before pulling the trigger on this. My "Oooooh shiny!" trigger finger was itching severely.

I think I'm going to take a pass on this one... I fear Paizo may have made an error in partnering with this particular company. I hope that's not the case but it doesn't look good.


Jeff Alvarez, Paizo's Chief Operations Officer, posted this in the Paizo Blog thread where they first announced they were partnering with Ninja Division.

Jeff Alvarez wrote:
All, I've been speaking with the guys from Ninja Division and they believe that a shipment of the Starfinder resin minis will be coming in next week. If they do, we should have ours the week after so stay tuned.

If this holds true then that means Paizo will have the Starfinder minis in 2 weeks, a week before the Kickstarter closes. While that is cutting it close, if ND is able to deliver on that then I'll have some hope for this KS. As it stands I'm just in for a $1 atm to be able to keep an eye on things.


Yeah I’m going to leave a 1$ pledge as well and see where this goes. I’ve backed a few reaper bones KS so maybe I’ve just been lucky in that every KS I’ve backed has far exceeded my expectations.

The issue I did have after I received my items from reaper which were a dragon arm that was missing was responded to and resolved within 24 hours.

This company looks to me like it’s bankrolling old Kickstarters with new funds coming in to fulfill there promises and other than being bad business is just something I’d rather pass on.

Grand Lodge

Buyer beware is all I'm seeing from the comments on this KS project. Would like to back this product but I work to darn hard for my money to get scammed. I will wait until they hit the shelves

Grand Lodge

Man, May is way too long. And prepainted will be only after that. :(

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Varun Creed wrote:
Man, May is way too long. And prepainted will be only after that. :(

The four initial prepainted products (Iconic Heroes Set 1, Iconic Heroes Set 2, Corpse Fleet & Pact Worlds Fleet), were supposed to come out in 2017.

They were the first Starfinder miniature products announced.

Later, eight unpainted resin miniatures (the same Iconic Heroes plus the "Sunrise Maiden" starship) were offered as unpainted resin single packs on the homepage of "Soda Pop Miniatures".

Both product lines have recently been removed from the page.

The eight unpainted resin minis are supposed to be available by october 6th from Ninja Division/Soda Pop Miniatures and by october 13th from Paizo.

The four prepainted packs currently have no release date attached.
At this point, the earliest ETA looks to be december 2017, but it could very well be early 2018.


So I'm assuming that these Kickstarter miniatures are all un-painted? Will we be getting these as pre-painted as well via sets like Rusty Dragon or Skull and Shackles? I've seen a few Iconics and 2 ship sets that are coming.


Yes, I believe so, the retail version coming up soon (hopefully) will be prepainted.

Paizo Employee Chief Operations Officer

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There is a resin unpainted line that is being run as a Kickstarter and there is also a pre-painted line that will be releasing in sets (ie not blind-packed or randomized). There are a limited number of the original iconics available soon (roughly 2-3 weeks). These are releasing early because they were designed as Gen Con releases to add excitement to our Starfinder launch.

We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.

Grand Lodge

Jeff Alvarez wrote:

There is a resin unpainted line that is being run as a Kickstarter and there is also a pre-painted line that will be releasing in sets (ie not blind-packed or randomized). There are a limited number of the original iconics available soon (roughly 2-3 weeks). These are releasing early because they were designed as Gen Con releases to add excitement to our Starfinder launch.

We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.

Will there be a subscription for the prepainted line? (pretty please *.*)


Jeff Alvarez wrote:

There is a resin unpainted line that is being run as a Kickstarter and there is also a pre-painted line that will be releasing in sets (ie not blind-packed or randomized). There are a limited number of the original iconics available soon (roughly 2-3 weeks). These are releasing early because they were designed as Gen Con releases to add excitement to our Starfinder launch.

We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.

This post gives me some faith that this might be a change from the previous kickstarter letdowns from them.

Silver Crusade

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Jeff Alvarez wrote:

There is a resin unpainted line that is being run as a Kickstarter and there is also a pre-painted line that will be releasing in sets (ie not blind-packed or randomized). There are a limited number of the original iconics available soon (roughly 2-3 weeks). These are releasing early because they were designed as Gen Con releases to add excitement to our Starfinder launch.

We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.

I sincerely hope you are right. It just seems like an unnecessary risk. I obviously don’t know any of the details but you clearly already have a good working relationship with WizKids and their products have been great and so far each new set the quality just keeps getting better. Why change things when you are already killing it? The odds are that at best, the new company will do as good a job as wiz kids, and at worst they don’t produce at all, causing loss of money, good will, Time to get excellent products out to support your new line. It really seems like a gamble and it’s a shame because I would really like to see starfinder not only succeed but exceed expectations, and to tie such an important accessory to a company with a shakey track record to put it very nicely really seems like a giant gamble


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If paizo doesn't mind me asking, why was ND chosen?

They have a terrible reputation.

They have been involved in a fraudulent kickstarter.

Its my understanding they have already failed to deliver there first Starfinder products on time.

They are offering "Limited Edition" figures, several race/class characters which I view as popular combo's and even the space Goblins are limited edition and have indicated limited edition means

"The limited edition miniatures will be available as part of this campaign and in limited quantities available directly from our web store while supplies last. We do not currently have plans in place for them to be released in the pre-painted line"

How is dealing with a company that wants to make Space Goblins limited and unavailable to (given the only have 905 backers at this time) the VAST majority of Star Finder players in any way, shape, or form even remotely good for the players?

Do you not care about the players?

Was whatever wad of cash they threw at you to get the license more important then players actually having minis to play your game?

Everything about this entire Mini line and the choices Paizo made look on the surface to be horribly bad for players.

So..

Why???

What was wrong with Wizkids and the current business model for mini's?


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Zaccheus wrote:
Jeff Alvarez wrote:
We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.
I sincerely hope you are right. It just seems like an unnecessary risk. I obviously don’t know any of the details but you clearly already have a good working relationship with WizKids and their products have been great and so far each new set the quality just keeps getting better. Why change things when you are already killing it?

It's worth remembering that any arrangement with WizKids is a two way thing.

There's nothing to suggest WizKids were interested in branching out into Starfinder, or even that they had the capacity to expand into another product line.

It seems to me that their production of Pathfinder minis dropped off once they picked up the license for D&D minis. It could be that they're stretched enough as things currently stand.

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Also remember that Reaper got the go ahead for Pathfinder minis long before Wizkids made the plastics.

The release for them was the same rate as the other lines for that company, but still slow for those of us looking to buy Pathfinder specific minis.

And I hate buying random mini packs. When I spend my money on a group of minis, I want to know exactly what I'm getting.

The plus side for me is this kick starter is already well and truly funded. Which means I can buy exactly what I want from the range next year sometime with no risk. It'll cost more, but I'm really only after some Ysoki and Kasatha. Maybe a Vesk but that's just an aesthetic.

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Steve Geddes wrote:
Zaccheus wrote:
Jeff Alvarez wrote:
We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.
I sincerely hope you are right. It just seems like an unnecessary risk. I obviously don’t know any of the details but you clearly already have a good working relationship with WizKids and their products have been great and so far each new set the quality just keeps getting better. Why change things when you are already killing it?

It's worth remembering that any arrangement with WizKids is a two way thing.

There's nothing to suggest WizKids were interested in branching out into Starfinder, or even that they had the capacity to expand into another product line.

It seems to me that their production of Pathfinder minis dropped off once they picked up the license for D&D minis. It could be that they're stretched enough as things currently stand.

I can assure you that it´s not the capacity issue.

D&D is gaining more & more steam with 5E, that is true.

The rest i don´t know about.

What is bad, is that people which are interested in buying official miniatures for a good new game (Starfinder), are not able to do so at launch, nor are they for at least a few months later.

The creature pawns work for a lot of people i know, the starship pawns not so much.

If we get the painted ship minis in time for x-mas, even with the prices a little too high, it may still work.
If not, interest for a lot of people (in Europe) that i know is pretty much dead, because of X-Wing, Battlefleet Gothic, Star Trek Heroclix and other minis having already filled that role by the time.

So delivery on time is important and also (like you said correctly in another post) advanced communiction. Some people are willing to wait if there is a (not too far off) release date being given which is reliable.

Unfortunately reliability is something which Ninja Division is not known for, but Paizo is.
I hope they don´t tarnish their good reputation with this deal.

Let´s hope for the best and wait for a nice x-mas surprise. ;-)


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This is a real conundrum.

While the retail prices for the ND minis are expensive, the pledge rewards bring the cost per figure down considerably and there is a lot of flexibility with what figures are part of each individual reward. Plus some of the figures will be exclusive to the KS and others might be so limited that they are effectively exclusive.

However ND has a bad track record with Kickstarters and it doesn't matter how good a deal it is and how good looking the minis are if they are never delivered.

So the possibilities:

1) I back and ND delivers. Great! I get a bunch of great minis for a good price.

2) I don't back and ND delivers. Oops! I get a pang of jealously every time I see someone with the KS minis. Meanwhile, I make due with Pawns, Battles, Bones, and 40k minis until some other company gets a crack at Starfinder.

3) I back and ND doesn't deliver or is delayed for years. D'oh! I'm out $160 that could have been used to the next six or so Iconic Heroes sets.

4) I don't back and ND doesn't deliver. Ha-Ha! My cynicism pays off.

Really tough choice without knowing how probable each outcome is.

One thing that I find shady about the campaign is that there is no indication what money is meant to go towards. Reaper has been pretty upfront that the Bones KS money is for capital costs, specifically molds. What is ND doing with the $50k goal? How can it have stretch goals every $10k and what does that go to? How can they deliver a PC hero freebie to at least 1000 backers for $10k when they've priced Hero Slots at $10? It would be nice to know if the money is going to be used for paying sculptures/buying molds or if it is going to executive salaries, pay off debt, or to complete prior campaigns.

I get that Paizo can't divulge details of the deal they have with ND, but "faith" isn't a plan. There's no indication that Paizo has a Plan B to make backers (of the campaign they promoted) whole if ND can't deliver. (And it isn't realistic to expect them to have one, KS are risky). But Paizo had to know that people would be skeptical of this situation. I just don't get why they didn't advise their partner to not launch a campaign while so many issues were still outstanding and to definitely not launch before the Non-GenCon going public had a chance to see what kind of Starfinder Minis they could expect from ND. At the very least, Paizo shouldn't have agreed to promote this campaign in the conditions that it has been launched.

Hopefully Starfinder's success will prove enticing to minis companies that are more established.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Zaccheus wrote:
Jeff Alvarez wrote:
We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.
I sincerely hope you are right. It just seems like an unnecessary risk. I obviously don’t know any of the details but you clearly already have a good working relationship with WizKids and their products have been great and so far each new set the quality just keeps getting better. Why change things when you are already killing it?

It's worth remembering that any arrangement with WizKids is a two way thing.

There's nothing to suggest WizKids were interested in branching out into Starfinder, or even that they had the capacity to expand into another product line.

It seems to me that their production of Pathfinder minis dropped off once they picked up the license for D&D minis. It could be that they're stretched enough as things currently stand.

I can assure you that it´s not the capacity issue.

How?

Before WizKids were doing D&D there were more PF minis and more experimentation with alternate models of delivery/pricing. How can you tell (from outside WizKids) what their capacity to take on a whole new line is and how much of their capital is tied up producing D&D minis?

I would think even Paizo wouldn't know that - outside of whatever WizKids choose to share with them.


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Furdinand wrote:

This is a real conundrum.

While the retail prices for the ND minis are expensive, the pledge rewards bring the cost per figure down considerably and there is a lot of flexibility with what figures are part of each individual reward. Plus some of the figures will be exclusive to the KS and others might be so limited that they are effectively exclusive.

However ND has a bad track record with Kickstarters and it doesn't matter how good a deal it is and how good looking the minis are if they are never delivered.

So the possibilities:

1) I back and ND delivers. Great! I get a bunch of great minis for a good price.

2) I don't back and ND delivers. Oops! I get a pang of jealously every time I see someone with the KS minis. Meanwhile, I make due with Pawns, Battles, Bones, and 40k minis until some other company gets a crack at Starfinder.

3) I back and ND doesn't deliver or is delayed for years. D'oh! I'm out $160 that could have been used to the next six or so Iconic Heroes sets.

4) I don't back and ND doesn't deliver. Ha-Ha! My cynicism pays off.

Really tough choice without knowing how probable each outcome is.

Another thing I've been vacillating over (presuming I can find someone to paint them for me) is a kind of pseudo-ethical issue wrt previous kickstarter backers. It kind of feels like "pushing in" to back this one, given how far behind they are with the other projects.

I'm not sure that's a genuine ethical issue, but I'd kind of feel bad to jump in now. It would almost be worse if this one went smoothly.

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Steve Geddes wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Zaccheus wrote:
Jeff Alvarez wrote:
We have complete faith in Ninja Division - Soda Pop to follow through with their promises in the Kickstarter or we would not have partnered with them.
I sincerely hope you are right. It just seems like an unnecessary risk. I obviously don’t know any of the details but you clearly already have a good working relationship with WizKids and their products have been great and so far each new set the quality just keeps getting better. Why change things when you are already killing it?

It's worth remembering that any arrangement with WizKids is a two way thing.

There's nothing to suggest WizKids were interested in branching out into Starfinder, or even that they had the capacity to expand into another product line.

It seems to me that their production of Pathfinder minis dropped off once they picked up the license for D&D minis. It could be that they're stretched enough as things currently stand.

I can assure you that it´s not the capacity issue.

How?

Before WizKids were doing D&D there were more PF minis and more experimentation with alternate models of delivery/pricing. How can you tell (from outside WizKids) what their capacity to take on a whole new line is and how much of their capital is tied up producing D&D minis?

I would think even Paizo wouldn't know that - outside of whatever WizKids choose to share with them.

I meant that Wizkids still has enough capacity to take on some new license deals in general, not Starfinder especially.

What i would be interested to know is:

1. Do Ninja Division/Soda Pop have the EXCLUSIVE license for ALL Starfinder minis or just for unpainted resin & the prepainted non-random Iconic Heroes packs and the two (or more) Fleet packs?

When i look at Pathfinder, the licenses are split between Reaper Miniatures and Wizkids, maybe something similiar would be possible for a "Starfinder Battles" blind booster pre-painted plastic minis set (with common Space Goblins)?

Does ND/SPM even plan to release prepainted plastic minis beyond the initial four sets?
Their main expertise is with unpainted resin and that is something i can see them doing very well.

As someone who backed the Behemoth Kickstarter, i now know that resin and plastic miniatures are two totally different kinds of products, which behave very different in production and painting.

Maybe it would be possible to let ND/SPM do the unpainted resin minis and let Wizkids do the PPM versions?

To me that seems like the best possibility, but as i am understandably not privy to the details of the business deal between Paizo and Ninja Division, i don´t know if this would be possible.

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Also let us not forget besides Wizkids and the very risky Ninja Division there are small third party companies, ie Far Off Games, that produced Xia legend of the drift system, which has awesome high quality preprinted ship minis that Paizo could have partnered with. Maybe they couldn’t pull off character minis too but that seems really unlikely. All around it’s just a really troubling decision that seems very unnecessary. I hope it pays off but there is no way I’m bacong a kickstarter I otherwise would have jumped on and spent at least 200 if not more


For those interested, long updates have been posted on both the RRI and SDEL KS pages, based on the live stream held yesterday.


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Marco Massoudi wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:
Marco Massoudi wrote:
Steve Geddes wrote:

It's worth remembering that any arrangement with WizKids is a two way thing.

There's nothing to suggest WizKids were interested in branching out into Starfinder, or even that they had the capacity to expand into another product line.

It seems to me that their production of Pathfinder minis dropped off once they picked up the license for D&D minis. It could be that they're stretched enough as things currently stand.

I can assure you that it´s not the capacity issue.

How?

Before WizKids were doing D&D there were more PF minis and more experimentation with alternate models of delivery/pricing. How can you tell (from outside WizKids) what their capacity to take on a whole new line is and how much of their capital is tied up producing D&D minis?

I would think even Paizo wouldn't know that - outside of whatever WizKids choose to share with them.

I meant that Wizkids still has enough capacity to take on some new license deals in general, not Starfinder especially.

I figured that's what you meant. I don't think you're in a position to give that assurance though. (I don't think even Paizo are, and they have actual production data).

Maybe WizKids are stretched to their limit doing what they currently do. Maybe not. Maybe Paizo needed someone who could release minis at GenCon and WizKids were already committed to other projects.

It's easy for those of us on the outside of the industry to view the things we know about as the important variables when they could well be unimportant, cosmetic details.

My point was that we shouldn't leap to the idea that WizKids (or any other publisher) was a workable option for Paizo - there could be any number of barriers from capacity to timelines/production schedules. There's a lot of moving pieces we are oblivious to.

Erik and Jeff have offered us paizo's perspective and the very fact they've gone down this route shows they're putting their money where there mouth is. Paizo have faith in their new partner, the product and the line going forward. That means a lot and although it's not ideal for me personally (I prefer the greater diversity of figures offered by randomised sets and am happy to put up with the downsides) it doesn't feel right to offer critique of how licensing arrangements should have been made with so little of the pertinent information available to us.


Agreed with Geddes. Being neither Paizo nor WizKids employees we have absolutely no idea how much more WizKids can take on or what their "capacity" is. To claim otherwise is spurious.

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Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:
Agreed with Geddes. Being neither Paizo nor WizKids employees we have absolutely no idea how much more WizKids can take on or what their "capacity" is. To claim otherwise is spurious.

I agree with this, but why not be just a bit more transparent. All we have from ND a very troubled company to put it as nice as possible is promised they’ll do better and Paizo saying they have “faith” they’ll produce a good product in a reasonable amount of time. If Paizo has any kind of information or evidence this is true and not more empty promises they should provide it. Paizo has never really been a company that has been so opaque about these sorts of things. Just give us a bit more than promises. I really like miniatures, I’m in love with starfinder and have been very happy with Paizo, but I’ve been burnt by ND, and though Paizo has a great track record this whole situation stinks and I need more than just words if I’m going to support this KS, and I’d really like to, but at the moment it’s just too risky

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These same questions keep arising so let me shed a little light on it for you.

We try and be the best licensing partner that we can and part of that, for us, is making our intentions with new product lines known to our current licensees first. When we were ready to discuss the Starfinder brand with our partners, we approached both WizKids and Reaper about the brand and our desire for minis. Obviously we would want to offer a new brand's license to our existing licensees, especially ones that have done such a good job with our brand, but both turned us down. Reaper has their own lines for Sci Fantasy minis and WizKids did not have the sculpting bandwidth for the project. So we turned to Ninja DIvision and they were thrilled with the opportunity.

We've known the guys from Ninja Division for quite some time and have always been impressed with their commitment to quality so it seemed like a great fit. We are still blown away with the sculpts we've been seeing from them and think that this line of resin figures might be the best resins we've ever seen.

While it is not our place to comment on their past KS campaigns, except to say that any blame placed on them for the Robotech debacle is completely misplaced and misguided. They, like many of us in this industry, were merely contracted to design a game for someone else's KS and Ninja Division followed through with everything they were charged with. It was, and still is, up to those that ran the KS campaign to fulfill the product to the audience. One wouldn't blame one of our writers for Paizo not releasing a module, right? So why are they being blamed for that failed KS? It's just not right.

The rest of their Kickstartes and any issues associated with them are on them and while they have always had the best of intentions, it is obvious that the lack of communication has caused loads of problems. I commend them for being as open and honest as they were in their video update and I really hope that the audience gives them the chance to make good. They know they screwed up and they are trying to make things right. It's up to all of you to give them the opportunity to earn your trust back.

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Fair enough they are absolved from Robotech. Still their record is sub par. Those sculpts they showed you, are they finished products? Are those exactly what we will be receiving if we back the KS or are those proof of concept and the final products will/may be printed by some other company/hardware? They have always had beautiful renders and proof of concepts, what assurance do we have that quality control is on the up and up and the finished product will be the same as the minis you’ve seen so far? Also it’s not on us to give them an opportunity to earn back our trust, after two projects it’s on them to earn it. I understand the KS is doing just fine without my money and this isn’t your job per se so I do t expect a response, though I appreciate all the responses so far and would appreciate more but at the moment I’m not going to back this project and that makes me sadj

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Zaccheus wrote:
Those sculpts they showed you, are they finished products? Are those exactly what we will be receiving if we back the KS or are those proof of concept and the final products will/may be printed by some other company/hardware? They have always had beautiful renders and proof of concepts, what assurance do we have that quality control is on the up and up and the finished product will be the same as the minis you’ve seen so far?

Yes so far we've seen actual outputs from the sculpts and they are great. They even had a limited number of them available for sale at Gen Con and from what I've heard, people really loved them.


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Jeff Alvarez wrote:

These same questions keep arising so let me shed a little light on it for you.

We try and be the best licensing partner that we can and part of that, for us, is making our intentions with new product lines known to our current licensees first. When we were ready to discuss the Starfinder brand with our partners, we approached both WizKids and Reaper about the brand and our desire for minis. Obviously we would want to offer a new brand's license to our existing licensees, especially ones that have done such a good job with our brand, but both turned us down. Reaper has their own lines for Sci Fantasy minis and WizKids did not have the sculpting bandwidth for the project. So we turned to Ninja DIvision and they were thrilled with the opportunity.

We've known the guys from Ninja Division for quite some time and have always been impressed with their commitment to quality so it seemed like a great fit. We are still blown away with the sculpts we've been seeing from them and think that this line of resin figures might be the best resins we've ever seen.

While it is not our place to comment on their past KS campaigns, except to say that any blame placed on them for the Robotech debacle is completely misplaced and misguided. They, like many of us in this industry, were merely contracted to design a game for someone else's KS and Ninja Division followed through with everything they were charged with. It was, and still is, up to those that ran the KS campaign to fulfill the product to the audience. One wouldn't blame one of our writers for Paizo not releasing a module, right? So why are they being blamed for that failed KS? It's just not right.

The rest of their Kickstartes and any issues associated with them are on them and while they have always had the best of intentions, it is obvious that the lack of communication has caused loads of problems. I commend them for being as open and honest as they were in their video update and I really hope that the audience gives them the chance to make good. They know...

Thanks, Jeff.

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Steve Geddes wrote:
Jeff Alvarez wrote:

These same questions keep arising so let me shed a little light on it for you.

We try and be the best licensing partner that we can and part of that, for us, is making our intentions with new product lines known to our current licensees first. When we were ready to discuss the Starfinder brand with our partners, we approached both WizKids and Reaper about the brand and our desire for minis. Obviously we would want to offer a new brand's license to our existing licensees, especially ones that have done such a good job with our brand, but both turned us down. Reaper has their own lines for Sci Fantasy minis and WizKids did not have the sculpting bandwidth for the project. So we turned to Ninja DIvision and they were thrilled with the opportunity.

We've known the guys from Ninja Division for quite some time and have always been impressed with their commitment to quality so it seemed like a great fit. We are still blown away with the sculpts we've been seeing from them and think that this line of resin figures might be the best resins we've ever seen.

While it is not our place to comment on their past KS campaigns, except to say that any blame placed on them for the Robotech debacle is completely misplaced and misguided. They, like many of us in this industry, were merely contracted to design a game for someone else's KS and Ninja Division followed through with everything they were charged with. It was, and still is, up to those that ran the KS campaign to fulfill the product to the audience. One wouldn't blame one of our writers for Paizo not releasing a module, right? So why are they being blamed for that failed KS? It's just not right.

The rest of their Kickstartes and any issues associated with them are on them and while they have always had the best of intentions, it is obvious that the lack of communication has caused loads of problems. I commend them for being as open and honest as they were in their video update and I really hope that the audience gives them the

...

It took me way too long to ask the right question. That’s really what I wanted and was hoping to hear. Thanks for being so patient and answering our questions. Like I said earlier, Paizo has always exceeded expectations. Thanks again

Grand Lodge

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Jeff Alvarez wrote:
The rest of their Kickstartes and any issues associated with them are on them and while they have always had the best of intentions, it is obvious that the lack of communication has caused loads of problems. I commend them for being as open and honest as they were in their video update and I really hope that the audience gives them the chance to make good. They know...

Best tip for any KS project: Good honest communication.


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Varun Creed wrote:
Best tip for any KS project: Good honest communication.

This comment really deserves repeating.


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Varun Creed wrote:


Best tip for any KS project: Good honest communication.

I tell you three times:

Best tip for any KS project: Good honest communication.
[u]Best tip for any KS project: Good honest communication.[/u]
Best tip for any KS project: Good honest communication.


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It's a shame Reaper and WizKids turned down making these figures. I would've gotten so many Starfinder minis if they were made by a company I trust. No one can deny that Ninja Division has outstanding sculptors. Their figures are great, but they aren't worth the inflated prices. If that was the only issue I could understand Paizo choosing them, but Ninja Division is dishonest to their own supporters (I used to be one).

I have so many metal, PVC & prepainted figures for Pathfinder and absolutely love them. It looks like Starfinder will be a pawn only game until another company gets the license or makes passable proxy minis.


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Oooo, Bloodbrother...


Does anybody know what the deal is with the resin Starfinder minis that are up for presale in the Paizo store? I thought the kickstarter was the preorder system for these figures..

Here's the link:
Go to Paizo Store Starfinder Minis
http://paizo.com/store/starfinder/accessories/miniatures

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CorallineAlgae wrote:

Does anybody know what the deal is with the resin Starfinder minis that are up for presale in the Paizo store? I thought the kickstarter was the preorder system for these figures..

Here's the link:
Go to Paizo Store Starfinder Minis
http://paizo.com/store/starfinder/accessories/miniatures

As part of the initial sculpt process Ninja division created all those minis already. They had some for sale at GenCon and I believe theyre delivering a batch to Paizo in the next week or so.

Anything after those initial runs sell out is going to be kick starter funded I believe.


Very interesting. Thanks Wrath.


(put this together for anyone interested)

Hmm, let's see, going off the price of everything (pricing of each individual slot and pack via the KS page, certain Creatures cost multiple Creature slots),

Adventure $100:
KS Hero exclusives $90
KS Encounter exclusive $20
6 Hero slots $60
4 Encounter Packs $80
Freebies $42
Ballpark total currently = $292

Campaign $180:
KS Hero exclusives $90
KS Encounter exclusive $20
12 Hero slots $120
6 Encounter packs $120
4 Creature slots $24
2 Fleet packs $60
Freebies $42
Ballpark total currently = $476

All-In $400:
Half-Orc Soldier $10
Dwarf Soldier $10
Elf Operative $10
Halfling Pilot $10
Half-Elf Operative $10
Gnome Mystic $10
Candy $10
Cola $10
Seelah the Paladin $10
Lashunta Xenowarden $10
Human Thief $10
Navasi the Envoy $10
Iseph the Operative $10
Keskodai the Mystic $10
Obozaya the Soldier $10
Atronus the Solarion $10
Android Mechanic and Drone $10
Sunrise Maiden $10 (retails for 12.99 on Paizo)
Ysoki Mystic $10
Raia the Technomancer $10
Quig the Mechanic and Drone $10
Shirren Operative $10
Kasatha Technomancer $10
Vesk Solarion $10
Lashunta Envoy $10
Human Soldier $10
Human Champion $10
Ysoki Bounty Hunter $10
Vesk Mercenary $10
Half Elf Steward $10
Android Xenoseeker $10
Gray $6
Driftdead $6
Wrikreechee $6
Garaggakal $12
Shobhad $12
Bone Trooper $6
Ksarik $12
Patrol Class Security Robot $6
Bloodbrother $36
Crest-Eater $18
Space Goblins (6 figs) $20
Maraquoi (4 figs) $20
Drow (4 figs) $20
Akata and Void Zombies (4 figs) $20
Protectors (4 figs) $20
Outlaws (4 figs) $20
Formian Workers and Warriors (4 figs) $20
Skittermander Whelps and Skittermanders (5 figs) $20
Contemplative Mentor and Contemplatives (5 figs) $20
Pact World Fleet (3 figs) $30
Corpse Fleet (3 figs) $30
Vesk Fleet (3 figs) $30
Ballpark total currently = $710

As we unlock more Freebies pledges increases in value, whereas the All-In pledge increases in value for every figurine we unlock (we're about to unlock the Contemplatives Encounter pack). And I can guarantee you that the Bloodbrother is not going to retail for $36.

Edit: Unlocked the Contemplatives!


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Rysky the Dark Solarion wrote:

(put this together for anyone interested)

Hmm, let's see, going off the price of everything (pricing of each individual slot and pack via the KS page, certain Creatures cost multiple Creature slots),

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Nice breakdown. Still debating whether to pull the trigger or not on the ''campaign'' pledge. All-in definitely doesn't seem to be worth it right now, and it's actually a lot of money. The pricing on many creatures seems to be off too (like the Bloodbrother).


Thankies!

Bloodbrother costs 6 Creature slots, so $36 right now, I expect it to double when it goes to retail.

For All-In I would only suggest if you want 90% or more of all the figs. Otherwise I'd take one of the other 3 pledges and adjust backing accordingly to get what slots and packs you want.


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...or adopt a 'wait and see' and hope it doesn't implode in a puff of marketing pressure.

Good on you for having faith, I'm going to be a bit more guarded for now.

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