Campaign Mode AP for Credit


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I'm not sure how to search for this, so I apologize if there's a FAQ for it somewhere.

I'm part of a long-running gaming group, and we've played through multiple AP's. Our current lineup includes four people with PFS numbers, so I'm reporting it for PFS credit. Which is great. Unfortunately, this wasn't always the case and in an earlier AP there were only two of us who had PFS numbers, plus the GM. (There may have been a fourth, I'll have to track down that player to find out.)

Question 1: Can you report an AP for PFS credit if there are too few PFS numbers at the table, even if there are plenty of players?

Question 2: I know that at a normal PFS table, you're allowed to play with only three if the GM runs a pregenerated character. Would he have been required to run a pregen if we already had a party of six?

Question 3: One player (with a PFS number) came in halfway through this AP. Can she get credit for the books she played?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

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You can report AP and sanctioned Module credit with as little as the GM and zero players.

What I'd recommend, though, would be to download and report brand new numbers, in case those players ever change their mind down the road. Then they can register those numbers, you can reprint the Chronicles, and nothing is lost for time spent.

Grand Lodge 1/5

Nefreet wrote:

You can report AP and sanctioned Module credit with as little as the GM and zero players.

So you're saying if I run an AP with players without PFS numbers, I can report it with just me as the GM, no players, and apply credit to one of my characters?

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/5 * Venture-Captain, Netherlands

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Olmac wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

You can report AP and sanctioned Module credit with as little as the GM and zero players.

So you're saying if I run an AP with players without PFS numbers, I can report it with just me as the GM, no players, and apply credit to one of my characters?

Yes.

Grand Lodge 1/5

Wish I had known that when I ran Rise of the Runelords.


That's crazy! I didn't know you could get credit for running APs. Do the players have to follow the society legality system (i.e. no house rules) because I am in the middle of a RotRL right now that has very minor house rules (rolling a natural one means you provoke an attack of opportunity, and flanked is a condition so everyone gets +2 if the enemy is flanked not just the flankers are the only two that come to mind) so if I can't get credit, I will go for PFS legal in future campaigns.

The Exchange 3/5

Most if not all Adventure Paths have "Campaign Mode" where as long as you intend to play the full adventure you can play with any rules you like.

The details and chronicle sheets are found on each adventure path's product page if it has been made legal.

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if you run it in campaign mode you can play it by bunnies and burrows rules and still get credit.


I have no clue how I missed that but I am thamkful for the information.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
if you run it in campaign mode you can play it by bunnies and burrows rules and still get credit.

Iron Gods via Bunnies & Burrows ... my bucket list has a new addition...

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I was seriously considering running Iron Gods using Ponyfinder for a while... still want to do it, but it would require a lot of modification.

Dark Archive 4/5 ** Venture-Agent, Finland—Tampere

Wait, seriously, you can run APs and take gm credit even if players don't want credit for it?

Huh, I run my games on roll20 so I'm pretty sure I can dig appropriate dates for each books .-.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

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CorvusMask wrote:
Wait, seriously, you can run APs and take gm credit even if players don't want credit for it?

Indeed.

Having a minimum of 3 players (or a maximum of 7) is only the rule when running PFS.

In Campaign Mode you could have 10 players, or 1, or narrate the entire AP to your child as a bedtime story. Either way you get GM credit.

5/5 *** Venture-Agent, California—San Francisco Bay Area North & East

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Bed time story might be pushing it, unless your kid is the kind that asks questions and is always changing things.

One day we're going to run rhat rotrl larp...


Honestly, that bed time story is a good idea even if it didn't couldn't count as a credit.

Edit, though with some minor editing in RotRL for the

RotRL spoiler:
incest and sex dungeon parts
to make it a bit more child friendly.

Grand Lodge

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Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
I was seriously considering running Iron Gods using Ponyfinder for a while... still want to do it, but it would require a lot of modification.

You've roused my curiosity. What modifications?

Scarab Sages 5/5 5/55/55/5

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Whinny

Silver Crusade 2/5

Tineke Bolleman wrote:
Olmac wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

You can report AP and sanctioned Module credit with as little as the GM and zero players.

So you're saying if I run an AP with players without PFS numbers, I can report it with just me as the GM, no players, and apply credit to one of my characters?
Yes.

sorry to sidetrack (if I am): Does this also apply to modules? I am currently running The Dragon's Demand for a group. Only two of them have PFS ID numbers, and neither of those cares for credit. But I would surely like to report for table and GM credit.

Game on!

Liberty's Edge 1/5

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Yes this applies to modules as well. I'm also running Dragon's Demand!

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

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gamerdork wrote:
Tineke Bolleman wrote:
Olmac wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

You can report AP and sanctioned Module credit with as little as the GM and zero players.

So you're saying if I run an AP with players without PFS numbers, I can report it with just me as the GM, no players, and apply credit to one of my characters?
Yes.

sorry to sidetrack (if I am): Does this also apply to modules? I am currently running The Dragon's Demand for a group. Only two of them have PFS ID numbers, and neither of those cares for credit. But I would surely like to report for table and GM credit.

Game on!

This is exactly what I did with Dragon's Demand as well.

Silver Crusade 3/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Online—PbP

Some modules have campaign mode; some don't. You need to check on each one. As a general rule, I think the new longer-format modules do, but the older short ones do not.

2/5 5/5 ***** Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Boston

Just wanting to double check, my understanding of which APs are eligible for Campaign Mode reporting, as it looks like the one I'm finishing up and the one I'm prepping to start are not eligible. (Wasn't doing much PFS until the past month, but have been running an AP for years).

Just about to finish up Wrath of the Righteous, looks like its ineligible for reporting (somewhat obvious to me since how would you structure anything that makes sense when you pull it out of the mythic environment.)

Was prepping to start a Kingmaker campaign, but it also looks like its ineliegible for any form of campaign mode.

I'm assuming the if there's no chronicle file/rule download link on the additional resources page, its ineligible for campaign mode play. (And if there is a file to download to read it carefully to determined if its eligible).

Grand Lodge 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Arizona—Phoenix

That is correct. It needs to have a sanctioning document/chronicle, and if the document doesn't say you can run campaign mode, you cannot.

2/5 5/5 ***** Venture-Captain, Massachusetts—Boston

Thanks for the confirmation.

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David Silver - Ponyfinder wrote:
Paladin of Baha-who? wrote:
I was seriously considering running Iron Gods using Ponyfinder for a while... still want to do it, but it would require a lot of modification.
You've roused my curiosity. What modifications?

I didn't quite decide whether to replace all the races of Golarion with ponyfinder races, to replace just humans with ponys and keep elves and gnomes and such, or to ponify the races and make android ponies and so forth. Still thinking about it.

Silver Crusade 3/5 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Online—PbP

There already are clockwork ponies, I believe, and some zebras and griffins and other things you could replace the other races with.

Grand Lodge

Redelia wrote:
There already are clockwork ponies, I believe, and some zebras and griffins and other things you could replace the other races with.

'Tis true! We have more horse variants than would be thought reasonable before we get into the wide amount of 'other' races.

Sovereign Court 4/5 5/55/55/55/5 *** Venture-Agent, Georgia—Atlanta

You could always just call them ponies and not change the stats.


Hi.

When you are running sanctioned campaign mode APs and adventure modules, can you only apply the credit only to PFS characters of the same edition of the AP/module, or can you apply it to either edition of PFS characters?

For example, if I run 1E Skulls & Shackles (in campaign mode), can my players and I apply the credit to 2E PFS characters?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

When you download the S&S Chronicle, you'll see that it's for 1st Edition.

Different gold, XP, etc.

Also, there's no way to report it as a 2nd Edition game.

For the most part, PFS1, SFS and PFS2 aren't interchangeable. Except for a couple Boons, but those are clearly labeled as such.


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Thank you.


My players have 2 sets of PCs. I am running a different AP for each set of PCs (alternating back and forth after completing each AP book).

Can they each apply the credit from each AP book for both APs to the same PFS character, or do they need 2 PFS characters each (one for the 1st AP books, and another for the 2nd AP books)?

Scarab Sages 2/5 ** Venture-Agent, Oregon—Portland

GM _ Jay wrote:

My players have 2 sets of PCs. I am running a different AP for each set of PCs (alternating back and forth after completing each AP book).

Can they each apply the credit from each AP book for both APs to the same PFS character, or do they need 2 PFS characters each (one for the 1st AP books, and another for the 2nd AP books)?

Assuming both APs are 1st Edition, I'm pretty sure you can apply the chronicles to whichever PFS character you want. But remember that the chronicle has to be held until the PFS character is the level of the chronicle. Which means that at some point they'll probably need to run the PFS characters in some PFS scenarios to get them to the level of the later chronicles.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Most of the PFS1 APs had six Chronicles, each spanning a Tier of either 2 or 3 levels.

So 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9-10, and 11-12 being the most common example.

If you alternated two APs that each had that same spread, applying all Chronicles to one character, then indeed you would end up with a 13th level character.

Could be kind of fun if that was the end goal of a group of friends, because you would essentially start playing with all gold unspent, and could jump right into all of the high level content together.

But boy would that take a while. Lots of chances for someone to drop out.


Thank you to both of you.

That is one of my goals for alternating between adventure paths. It will take a few years, but that will be a nice perk after we complete the adventure paths.

Reading posts earlier in the thread, regarding reading adventure paths as a bedtime story. It looks like in the current PFS guide that is not possible (as it states you have to run the APs using a tabletop RPG). Was that stipulation not in earlier versions of the PFS guide? Or could we read them as bedtime stories while rolling dice (using a tabletop RPG rules set) to determine things as we read the 'bedtime story'?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

PFS1's "Campaign Mode" was interpreted much more loosely. What mattered was that you were buying the APs. Not so much how you ran them.

PFS2's "Adventure Mode" has to be "recognizably PF2".


I was referring to what is stated in the current 1E PFS Guild Guide, not the 2E one.

"They are not even required to use the Pathfinder RPG rules, but they must
run the adventure using a tabletop roleplaying game and use the Adventure Path or Pathfinder Module as the primary source for adventure content."

That is why I asked my question if earlier versions of the (1E) guide did not include that stipulation, and my question regarding reading them as bedtime stories using dice (and a tabletop rules set) to determine things as we read them as bedtime stories is.

With the exception of Return of the Runelords, Wrath of the Righteous (which both have chronicle sheets for each two level ranges from 1-2 to 19-20) and the first AP Books for Mummy's Mask, Reign of Winter and Strange Aeons (which have 1-2 reportable tiers) the remaining AP books all have have three level reportable ranges (2-4, 5-7, etc.)

Did all the AP books only have 2 level range reportable tiers at one time?

Thanks for taking the time to clarify things for me.

Silver Crusade 5/5 5/5 **

"tabletop roleplaying game" is a VERY ill defined phrase.

I'd have no issues at all if you ran an AP as some sort of "choose your own adventure" bedtime story where the person(s) being read to had some agency. There are diceless tabletop roleplaying games so absolutely no need for dice or some other randomization device to be used.

As a pragmatic matter, I assure you that at this point of time the chance of anybody noticing or caring that your chronicle sheets are somehow "invalid" is as close to 0 as makes no matter.

So, if you want to tell bedtime stories and give out chronicle sheets, I'd say go for it.


Thank you.

The Choose Your Own Adventure version sounds good.

For the bedtime version style, I think using the iconic characters that appear on the covers and throughout the APs as the heroes of the story would be cool, as you would also have added visuals of the heroes of the story to show your little ones as you read them the story.

Scarab Sages 2/5 ** Venture-Agent, Oregon—Portland

Nefreet wrote:

Most of the PFS1 APs had six Chronicles, each spanning a Tier of either 2 or 3 levels.

So 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8, 9-10, and 11-12 being the most common example.

If you alternated two APs that each had that same spread, applying all Chronicles to one character, then indeed you would end up with a 13th level character.

But the OP mentioned Skulls & Shackles. The chronicles don't run that way. The first two books present a problem—the first is 2–4, the second is 5–7. Hence my suggestion. Later books are 3 levels but usually overlap the previous and/or subsequent books.


You can apply the first chronicle sheet to a new 1st level PFS character. For example the chronicle sheet for Skulls & Shackles Part 1 can be used to create a level 1 character OR holding it in place at 2nd level.

You can also choose slow advancement or normal advancement for each AP book you run/play.

I have already come up with an AP book/sanctioned module order that would work so all the chronicle sheets would cover all levels starting from level 1 up to book 6 of the APs I run.

The chronicles sheets held at higher-level are placed in the earliest unfilled eligible level in the level range for each chronicle sheet.

I am also using campaign mode-sanctioned adventure modules that fit in nicely with the themes of the APs I am running, that fill in the empty level gaps, so by the time I am finished running the APs, there are no empty levels below the Book 6 chronicle sheets for their PFS characters.

Scarab Sages 2/5 ** Venture-Agent, Oregon—Portland

GM J wrote:
You can apply the first chronicle sheet to a new 1st level PFS character. For example the chronicle sheet for Skulls & Shackles Part 1 can be used to create a level 1 character OR holding it in place at 2nd level.

You can but be sure to check the PFS1 rules for applying to level 1 characters. You get a lower, fixed amount of gold and I don't believe you get any of the items on the chronicles (not that that matters very often). You only get everything on the chronicle if you hold it.

As for the rest, yes. I've filled out a lot of PFS 1 chronicles over the years. Good luck with your adventure(s)!


Thank you. :)

Grand Lodge 4/5 5/55/5 ***

I guess the pink elephant question is why? If you do as you describe and end up with a set of level 13(?) org play legal PFS1E characters, the only reason that seems plausible is so you could then run those PCs through sanctioned seeker-level scenarios. Otherwise, what's the point?


There are some high-level PFS-mode only sanctioned modules, not just scenarios, for high-level PFS characters.

The Witchwar Legacy (16-18), The Moonscar (15-17), Tomb of the Iron Medusa (13-15), Academy of Secrets (12-14), The Ruby Phoenix Tournament (10-12) and the higher levels of The Emerald Spire Super Dungeon.

As there are several high-level sanctioned AP books as well, you could play your high-level PFS characters (gained via the campaign-mode sanctioned APs/modules) through the specified sanctioned parts of high-level modules/AP books you did not gain PFS credit for yet.

There are 14 campaign-mode sanctioned 1E APs with the standard tiered range for each of the six parts of the AP.

There are also 2 campaign-mode sanctioned APs that have tiers that cover all 20 levels for each of the six books.

Unlike with using just PFS scenarios, with the sanctioned AP books and modules, there are tiers that include up to 19-20.

So, there are plenty of things you could run those campaign-mode earned high-level PFS characters through.

Some players might just enjoy having high-level PFS characters, even if they never use them.

Ask yourself this question. Why do some toy/comic book collectors enjoy owning but never opening/reading toys/comics in their collections?

Why bother having them if they are not going to enjoy them (in the traditional sense of playing with/reading them). Not all such collectors have them for the purpose of reselling at some point in the future. Yet, they still provide those owners joy for having them as part of their collection.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5 ***

Totally.

There are very few players with 20th level PCs. I've seen Conventions organized just for the purpose of playing Race for the Runecarved Key.

Those are the types of PCs that some players have art commissioned for, to further immortalize them.

Also just useful for bragging rights and table conversation. This is a hobby that people love to talk about with their peers.

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