Sister-In-Arms / Sanguine Angel Advice?

[White Hilt]

A player of mine wants to make a Grey Maiden who goes into Sanguine Angel and I suggested the Cavalier archetype Sister-In-Arms, but besides that I don't really have that much advice for them. Help?

The only thing that is certain is that they want to twf with a long sword and shield and use Sisterhood Style. Assume human for the bonus feat.

[Isabelle Lee]

I wrote the sanguine angel with the assumption that an unarchetyped fighter would be the "obvious" choice. The class effectively continues to improve armor training and weapon training, and a fighter can afford the necessary feats while also working towards something like Sisterhood Style. (Plus, all the original Gray Maidens were fighters, so it's on theme flavorwise.) Add in the various options from WMH and AMH, and your player should have a fairly effective character.

It's certainly possible to go sister-in-arms into sanguine angel, but that wouldn't be my first choice - they're not terribly synergistic, and the sister-in-arms will have to spend all her feats just to qualify for the class. As far as I'm concerned, the sister-in-arms is probably best sticking to her class and improving the features it grants.

Hopefully this is of some assistance. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. ^_^

[DeathlessOne]

Following the "meant to be a fighter" line of thought, there is a feat from the Adventure's Guide specifically for veteran Grey Maidens.

Req: Con 13, toughness, endurance, fighter 4th
Benefit: increases favored class bonus from fighter (+1 hp) to +2 hp per level and your con score is treated 4 higher to determine death hp total.

It's actually very nice.

[Ierox]

Isabelle Lee wrote:

I wrote the sanguine angel with the assumption that an unarchetyped fighter would be the "obvious" choice. The class effectively continues to improve armor training and weapon training, and a fighter can afford the necessary feats while also working towards something like Sisterhood Style. (Plus, all the original Gray Maidens were fighters, so it's on theme flavorwise.) Add in the various options from WMH and AMH, and your player should have a fairly effective character.

It's certainly possible to go sister-in-arms into sanguine angel, but that wouldn't be my first choice - they're not terribly synergistic, and the sister-in-arms will have to spend all her feats just to qualify for the class. As far as I'm concerned, the sister-in-arms is probably best sticking to her class and improving the features it grants.

Hopefully this is of some assistance. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. ^_^

Oooh, you wrote that thing? Great job! It has super interesting mechanics.

It's almost a shame that it's locked to that fluff - not that the fluff is bad, it's just that it's not very appropriate to most adventures, so eh.

Edit: to actually answer the question here, I'd do something like Fighter(no archetype) 5/Sanguine Angel 10.

Since she wants to do sword and board, she'll want to obtain a steel shield with the Versatile Weapon Modification, so the shield bash counts as a heavy blade.

http://www.archivesofnethys.com/EquipmentWeaponsDisplay.aspx?ItemName=Versa tile%20design - here is the URL for that thing.

Stats would be something like STR>CON>CHA=13>WIS=DEX>INT.

You'll obviously want to delay picking up Two-Weapon Fighting until you start in on the Sanguine Angel levels, because of the heavy dexterity requirements, which are bypassed by the Maiden's Shield class feature.

Assuming you're human, you'd be looking at something like this for feat progression:

1 - Weapon Focus: Longsword
H - Shield Wall
F1 - Shield Focus
F2 - Sisterhood Style
3 - Iron Will
F4 - Improved Shield Bash
5 - Advanced Weapon Training: Warrior Spirit
Maiden's Shield6 - Two Weapon Fighting
7 - Sisterhood Rampart?
9 - Sisterhood Dedication?

Honestly, we're a little feat starved after we get into Sanguine Angel.

Ideally, we'd want Improved Two-weapon Fighting, Two-weapon Rend, Power Attack, Double Slice, Shield Slam, Shield Master and a second teamwork feat for use with Sisterhood Dedication. That's more than we get though, so choices will have to be made.

[White Hilt]

Thank you all so much for your advice! I'll admit, I probably has some kind of internalized bias against the fighter, but I really shouldn't because wow! That is so much better than anything I was thinking of!
Another question however, would the Drill Sergeant fighter archetype (what can I say, I have a weakness for archetypes) be worth it for the Tactician ability (assuming the player wants it)? Tactician and another teamwork feat definitely seem worth it in exchange for bravery, and besides bravery, they don't really lose anything for our purposes until really high (19th!) levels.
Otherwise, thank you so much for the tips! I'll make sure to show the player that build and make sure they like it!

Isabelle Lee wrote:

I wrote the sanguine angel...

I just wanted to say I love literally everything you write, especially the Sanguine Angel! Thank you so much!

[Isabelle Lee]

Thank you!!! ^_^

[Ierox]

Drill Sergeant would be a great choice for an archetype. Normally, you wouldn't want to give up Bravery since most fighters like the Armed Bravery AWT, but since you're doing a PRC that doesn't matter.

Good find!

[blackanthrax]

Isabelle Lee wrote:

I wrote the sanguine angel with the assumption that an unarchetyped fighter would be the "obvious" choice. The class effectively continues to improve armor training and weapon training, and a fighter can afford the necessary feats while also working towards something like Sisterhood Style. (Plus, all the original Gray Maidens were fighters, so it's on theme flavorwise.) Add in the various options from WMH and AMH, and your player should have a fairly effective character.

It's certainly possible to go sister-in-arms into sanguine angel, but that wouldn't be my first choice - they're not terribly synergistic, and the sister-in-arms will have to spend all her feats just to qualify for the class. As far as I'm concerned, the sister-in-arms is probably best sticking to her class and improving the features it grants.

Hopefully this is of some assistance. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. ^_^

First I want to thank you for your effort to create the Sanguine Angel. I really like the class concept and the provided flexibility with tyrant's dicipline.

You're right, building into the SA is quite easy as a fighter, but still Qualins Rachmirol is Cavalier / SA herself. It really depends on what you want to do.

Currently I am playing a Sister in Arms in Ruins of Azlant and plan to build into the Sanguine Angel for the following reasons:
- Having a ranged weapon as secondary
- TWF while without meeting the prereqs
- Driving Assault (building around greater bullrush here sounds fun)
- Eyes of Alertness

Mixin that up with Sister in Arms for the following reasons:
- Provide useful Buffs to your teammates (Dragon and Lion Order in one package is <3)
- Bodyguard ;)
- I hate mounts

It went incredibly well so far. Cavalier might not synergize perfectly with SA, but you can still utilize a lot of class features from both classes.

I've never thought about picking sisterhood style, but that sounds quite interesting because you get teamwork feats as cavalier anyway.

In the end it really depends on what you want to do with your character.

[Xexyz]

Isabelle Lee wrote:

Hopefully this is of some assistance. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. ^_^

Great job on the class, I really like it! Making an NPC Sanguine Angel right now that my players may encounter in their adventures...

Question: For the Angel of Death wings, is it intended that they're "always out" or are they summonable (growable?) like other class abilities (such as the wings you get from the draconic bloodline) but otherwise not present?

[Serisan]

This thread necro is an excellent opportunity to say thanks again to Isabella Lee for this prestige class. I love my Sanguine Angel character. The prestige class gave me tons of ideas instantly when I read it and I still enjoy introducing people to it.

[Isabelle Lee]

Thank you all for the kind words! ^_^

Xexyz wrote:

Question: For the Angel of Death wings, is it intended that they're "always out" or are they summonable (growable?) like other class abilities (such as the wings you get from the draconic bloodline) but otherwise not present?

The intention was for them to be permanent, since you're becoming something like an erinyes (to the extent that you're a non-native outsider).

[Dracoknight]

Hmm, just wondering how it would go with the Aasimar wings featline, would you say that the sanguine maiden wings would qualify for the metallic wings of an aasimar if that even is a stackable option?

Regardless it sounds like a prestige class that would suit a "fallen" aasimar that is heavy handed on the law side of things.

[Isabelle Lee]

They're stackable, in that you can take both the Angel Wings feat and sanguine angel levels, but redundant - you'll still only use the better of the two, as far as I know. (Same for something wacky like a strix sanguine angel.)

If you wanted to flavor your wing attacks as being from the sanguine angel's wings, I think that'd be fine, but by RAW you would still need to meet the feat's prerequisites (e.g., Angel Wings). That being said, a GM might allow you to count Angel of Eiseth as "equivalent" to Angel Wings for that purpose. Just not in PFS or anything like that.

As for fallen aasimar, I'm sure the Erinyes Company would welcome such a being to their ranks. ^_^

[Psyblade]

just a bit of a necro for this thread... but finding this one and currently working on using the Angel in conjunction with my gf's char... much fun will be had!

Thank you for the class Isabelle!