Unchained Monk, flurry of blows and using a spade 2 handed.

[Dahawi]

Hi guys, I have a Hypothetical situation I'd like advice on to make sure my understanding is correct.

FoB states that there is no penalty for attacking with multiple weapons, nor can I see any restriction on using a weapon 2 handed, so could a Monk wielding a Monks spade use flurry of blows to attack with multiple ends of the spade as part of the same action AND APPLY strength and a half to damage for each end by wielding the weapon with 2 hands?

[Yorien]

I'd say yes and no.

You can use the monk's blade two handed, but in that scenario you must pick one end and stick to it for the entire Flurry, AND you only as x1 STR bonus. so, in essence, it's better to just use as a doble weapon, since you also get full bonus with the "offhand"

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The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it.

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A monk applies his full Strength bonus to his damage rolls for all successful attacks made with flurry of blows, whether the attacks are made with an off-hand or with a weapon wielded in both hands.

Full STR bonus is x1.

[Sayt]

I think what Yorlen has put forward is correct for Core rulebook monks, but not for Unchained Monks. The Unchained version of flurry of blows makes no reference to the users strength score, so the general rules for strength to damage apply.

So yes, I believe that you can make a two-handed attack with one end of a monk's spade, and then a two-handed strike with the other head, both gaining 1-1/2 your Strength modifier to damage.

Likewise, I believe that you could begin a flurry of blows by making an attack with a wielded sansetsukon for 1-1/2 Str to damage, drop the sansetsukon and then quickdraw a monk's spade or quarterstaff and then make a two-handed attack with one head of that weapon for 1-1/2 Str to damage.

[Dahawi]

Thanks guys! Yes I am referring to the Unchained version of the monk, which doesn't seem to prohibit then. I'm not sure there are many situations you'd need to attack with multiple ends of a monks spade in the same attack, but hypotheticals like this help me get me head around new rules.

Just re-reading double weapons and the rules state you can only wield one end of a double weapon two handed (The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it) but does the FoB ability, allowing a monk to attack with multiple weapons without penalty override this?

My thinking is could you interpret using each end of a double weapon as being a separate weapon and therefore choose to use each end 2 hands, or do the double weapon rules still apply and you can only use one ed regardless if you are wielding it 2 handed?

[Yorien]

Dahawi wrote:

Thanks guys! Yes I am referring to the Unchained version of the monk, which doesn't seem to prohibit then. I'm not sure there are many situations you'd need to attack with multiple ends of a monks spade in the same attack, but hypotheticals like this help me get me head around new rules.

Just re-reading double weapons and the rules state you can only wield one end of a double weapon two handed (The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it) but does the FoB ability, allowing a monk to attack with multiple weapons without penalty override this?

My thinking is could you interpret using each end of a double weapon as being a separate weapon and therefore choose to use each end 2 hands, or do the double weapon rules still apply and you can only use one ed regardless if you are wielding it 2 handed?

Good catch, completely missed the unchained part (not acustomed to play with those)

As for the weapon, RAW doesn't say anything so you could possibly switch around how you wield the weapon during the flurry, although I'd say that the spirit under that is that you pick a variation (two-handed, one-handed or two weapons) and stick to it for the entire round

[Dahawi]

I think that's a fair, thank you very much! As I say I can't see a need to switch from one to the other mid attack anyway.