Gunslingers, Crafting, and Gunsmithing


Pathfinder Society

Sovereign Court

So I'm not so good when it comes to tracking down elusive rules, and I'm making a Gunslinger and am trying to interpret these documents.

According to the Pathfinder Society Roleplaying Guide Guide:

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Ranks assigned to Craft skills are used only to perform Day Job checks, not to craft mundane items, with the following exceptions.

• Alchemists can use Craft (alchemy).
• Gunslingers can use Craft (gunsmithing).
• Investigators can use Craft (alchemy).

According to Additional Resources:

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The following two feats function differently in Pathfinder Society Organized Play than they do in regular games:

Gunsmithing does not grant the ability to craft firearms, ammunition, or black powder. Rather, it allows the purchase of bullets, pellets, black powder, and alchemical cartridges (with 1 rank in Craft [alchemy]) at the listed reduced price, but does not grant a discount on the purchase of any firearm. Resold items gained through this feat are worth half the actual cost paid, not half the regular market value for the item. No PC can purchase a gun without this feat, even if they possess the Amateur Gunslinger or Exotic Weapon Proficiency (firearm) feats.

I think it is worth noting that Additional Resources only refers to the FEAT of Gunsmithing, not Craft (Gunsmithing). If they wanted this to additionally cover Craft (Gunsmithing), they should have added it to the feat description in Additional Resources. To me, the feat is only intended to allow non-Gunslingers to purchase firearms and firearms accessories. Additionally, the feat Gunsmithing, plus a single rank in Craft (Alchemy) already allows the Gunslinger to purchase all necessary ammunition for the same price as crafting it.

So. What does Craft (Gunsmithing) do for Gunslingers? Or is only intended as a means to create ammunition should an appropriate merchant be unavailable?

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

Craft (Gunsmithing) is an annoying typo that has persisted for two iterations of the Guide. It's supposed to be Craft (Alchemy), for cartridges.

Sovereign Court

Nefreet wrote:
Craft (Gunsmithing) is an annoying typo that has persisted for two iterations of the Guide. It's supposed to be Craft (Alchemy), for cartridges.

IS it a typo at this point? They corrected it for Investigator, and it makes sense that Gunslingers could use Craft (Gunsmithing) for ammunition if they weren't near an available merchant.

I just find it all awkward.

Sovereign Court

At any rate, everyone is allowed to take Crafting of any kind for it to apply to Day Jobs and other situational rolls (profession knowledge), but the caveat in the guild guide is supposed to be for the creation of items. It would be weird if it was a typo, that it was intended to be Craft (Alchemy) since anyone could buy one rank in this skill to complete the prerequisite to purchase alchemical cartridges under the Gunsmithing feat description. Again, the Gunsmithing feat applies to only the purchase of firearms supplies, not their crafting, in Society play.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber
Hikusenba wrote:
Nefreet wrote:
Craft (Gunsmithing) is an annoying typo that has persisted for two iterations of the Guide. It's supposed to be Craft (Alchemy), for cartridges.
IS it a typo at this point?

Yes, it is.

You can't craft firearms or ammunition using the Craft skill. There are no DCs.

That's what the Gunsmithing feat is for.

Sovereign Court

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You can't craft firearms or ammunition using the Craft skill. There are no DCs.

That's what the Gunsmithing feat is for.

Then Craft (Alchemy)/(Gunsmithing) being explicitly available as a crafting option for Gunslingers is unnecessary, because the Feat itself provides the ability to purchase the ammunition supplies without crafting.

A single rank in Craft (Alchemy) is required to *purchase* alchemical cartridges, but anyone can take ranks in Crafting skills.

Sczarni 5/5 5/55/5

Pathfinder Starfinder Society Subscriber

I don't quite know what you're trying to get at.

The Guide is in error. This has been widely acknowledged for over a year now.

And since the Gunsmithing feat is required to even purchase firearms, it seems like a moot point anyways.

Sovereign Court

Yeah, the 'moot point' is kind of where I'm winding up on the issue.

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