When the wearer makes an attack using Arcane Strike and hits, enemies adjacent to the target take damage equal to the wearer’s Arcane Strike damage bonus. This damage is of the same type as the weapon’s damage (bludgeoning, piercing, and so on).
So I was wondering whether enemies hit by this extra damage could be valid targets of a touch spell?
For example: There are 2 orcs in front of me standing adjacent to one another. I attack Orc A, and the gloves let me deal my Arcane Strike damage to Orc B as well. If I was holding a touch spell would I be able to discharge it into Orc B instead of Orc A?What if the touch spell had multiple charges?
FROSTBITE and CHILL TOUCH both contain the following text:
You can use this melee touch attack up to one time per level.
There are 5 orcs, A, B, C, D, and E.
A is adjacent to all the others.If my level 5 Magus attacks Orc A, I deal damage to Orc A, and deal my Arcane Strike Damage to all 5 orcs. If I cast Frostbite and attack Orc A, would I be able to discharge all 5 of my charges of frostbite to affect all 5 orcs since they all took a hit from my Arcane Strike damage?
no, you're not hitting orc B, you need to hit to discharge a held spell.
no, see above.
Beware this FAQ:
Touch Spells: In the Magic and Combat chapters, it says that I can touch a single ally as a standard action or up to six allies as a full-round action and that I can combine delivering a touch spell with a natural attack or unarmed strike. But what if I just want to deliver the touch spell to an enemy? It just says I can do it “round after round.”
Making a touch attack against an enemy by touching it, beyond the free action to do so as part of casting the spell, is a standard action. It can’t be used with a full attack.
It can’t be used with a full attack.
This nerfs the utility of multitouch spells for attacking.
/cevah
The gloves only do what they say they do.
Which is add your arcane strike damage to targets adjacent to the target you hit.
Beware this FAQ:
Touch Spells: In the Magic and Combat chapters, it says that I can touch a single ally as a standard action or up to six allies as a full-round action and that I can combine delivering a touch spell with a natural attack or unarmed strike. But what if I just want to deliver the touch spell to an enemy? It just says I can do it “round after round.”
Making a touch attack against an enemy by touching it, beyond the free action to do so as part of casting the spell, is a standard action. It can’t be used with a full attack.It can’t be used with a full attack.
This nerfs the utility of multitouch spells for attacking.
/cevah
I wasn't talking about using the free touch, just delivering a spell through an attack (Unarmed Strike, Natural Attack, or a Magus' Spellstrike). In this case the touch spell automatically discharges into the enemy I've attacked. I was just wondering if the extra hits from the gloves would count as a touch (or spellstrike) for the purpose of discharging the spell.
I'm happy to go with the consensus here, I didn't really think it would work, but I was too tired to find the relevant material myself last night =P
Thanks everyone =)
Beware this FAQ:FAQ is irrelevant because the character isn't using touch attacks. Or full-attacking.
If I cast Frostbite and attack Orc A, would I be able to discharge all 5 of my charges of frostbite to affect all 5 orcs since they all took a hit from my Arcane Strike damage?
The OP is clearly trying to get multiple attacks.
/cevah
Since the adjacent enemies just take the damage, no attack roll required, reasonably you can't consider them additional touch attacks. I do have a question for the more well read, wouldn't activating that arcane strike be effectively a new spell cast, so wouldn't that disrupt the held spell?
Since the adjacent enemies just take the damage, no attack roll required, reasonably you can't consider them additional touch attacks. I do have a question for the more well read, wouldn't activating that arcane strike be effectively a new spell cast, so wouldn't that disrupt the held spell?
No. Arcane Strike is a combat feat and does not list itself, or its effects, as a spell or spell-like ability, or refer to itself as 'holding a charge'. You are not casting another spell and it would not disrupt Arcane Strike.
If I cast Frostbite and attack Orc A, would I be able to discharge all 5 of my charges of frostbite to affect all 5 orcs since they all took a hit from my Arcane Strike damage?The OP is clearly trying to get multiple attacks.
/cevah
Just to be clear I wasn't trying to do anything, I was simply wondering how the mechanics would work.
The entire second half of my question was merely a continuation of the first half assuming the answer to the first half was a "Yes". If it ended up a "No" (which it did) then the second half was moot.
I realise I probably should have posted them as two separate questions to avoid confusion.
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Just to be clear I wasn't trying to do anything, I was simply wondering how the mechanics would work.
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.We are all gamers here, we all know Charismatics are always trying to pull a fast one, after all, it is what they do.