Magus Deck Character Sheets?


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All it took me to make a character/role sheet was time, a computer, and a text editor or word processor.

And, of course, the character cards from the games, the ‘Class’ decks, the ‘Ultimate’ decks, etc.

Over the course of about two weeks, working a couple of hours a day I made 67 character sheets.

I have 51 cards yet to convert to my character template.

That will be the character cards from the four released games and 23 decks.

I have four more decks on order, each with one character in them.

So, 55 character cards left to make. Then I will have a character sheet in my format for every physical character card I own.

Then I need to go through all the errata to update as necessary.

When I am done that will be about 122 character/role sheets in my format.

What is my format?

Easy to create, update, and use was my goal. I think I have hit it dead on.

I do not use images - no copyright or community use problems.

I do not use flavor text - no copyright or community use problems.

I do not use graphics of any kind - printer friendly is the theme.

We are just going to read, and read, and reread the powers and check off a few boxes. Text only and check boxes. Simple is better. And, Larger Font!

My sheets are in Microsoft Word ‘docx’ format. Character base and two roles in one document, 3 pages.

The base sheet is the base character card. The role sheets contain the merged base and role data. You only ever need one piece of paper.

I create a pdf document if I send a sheet to one of the people I game with. That's the scope of my distribution, myself and a handful of friends.

I rearranged the data on the character sheet to be (from the top down) Skills, Cards, Powers. Skills and Card data do not change. Powers change (including errata); being at the bottom powers can grow and shrink as needed without causing any rearranging of the other two areas. Works like a charm.

Once I had template, it was just a matter of music, beverage, time, and typing.

Not difficult at all. Just a little tedious. A side effect is I have carefully read and reread every character card and learned stuff about the characters I might not have learned before.

What's the benefit?

1. I am free of waiting on Paizo released sheets. I can make my own as soon as I get the game/deck.

2. The data is organized in a manner I find more efficient.

3. My sheets are printer friendly using only black, white, and blue (headings only) for everything.

4. Errata can be swiftly applied.

5. New cards can be quickly created.

6. Character sheets can be easily printed as required.

All I am trying to get across is for people to stop expecting to be handed everything, free of cost or effort. Do the work. A little effort and there is no problem.

If that is bad thing, then ok, I am guilty.

I briefly put a copy of my Magus sheets on BGG, but decided to remove them. Reasons.

This thread actually inspired me to do this little project.

THANKS, EVERYONE.

Jim

[Back to lurking...]

[edit 1 - typos, mention merged character/role in formating.]


Much as we certainly can do all these things, it is, at the end of the day, fundamentally horribly inefficient for every single person playing the game to have to spend hours building their own custom solution to the problem.

Is complaining on the forums more effective? Well actually maybe it is. It might be a lot less likely to have an impact, but at least when it does it will solve the problem for everyone else rather than just yourself.

Re posting community versions, I get that there's copyright issues uploading them. But, they've been provided in the past. They've said they'll provide these in the future. The intention is clearly for this information to be publicly available. It might not technically be legal to share them, but for goodness sake it's hardly acting against the copyright holder's interests to do their work for them. The worst they're going to do is ask for them to be taken down. If you were some sort of pathologically risk-averse corporation with a mutli-billion dollar reputation to protect, such as I may or may not work for, I could fully understand the reluctance. But as it stands I find it quite surprising.

But that's all I'm saying, is it's surprising, I'm not asking anyone in particular to do it. I'm not myself because I simply don't have the required cards/info, I've only got one character add-on deck (and one already published class deck) myself.


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Irgy wrote:
Much as we certainly can do all these things, it is, at the end of the day, fundamentally horribly inefficient for every single person playing the game to have to spend hours building their own custom solution to the problem.

This, and also what Parody said about copyright. The community use is actually the much more important issue here - if given the choice, I'd rather use Parody's character tents than the official sheets, but without official sheets, there are no new character tents either.

And of course, I have done several character sheets for the missing characters myself as well; the important thing here is that the time I spent on these is not in addition to the time I can play the game, but is subtracted from it instead. And when you play multiple APs in parallel, this time can add up.


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Jim, you are missing the point, yes I want the sheets, yes I could make them myself if I had time, yes they are an added extra, however having established the principle of producing them, many purchase the decks expecting to have the sheets made available.

This plus the fact that no one is even taking five minutes to provide an update is what generates a "don't care" comment. If they can't even spare those five minutes then there must be an awful lot of fires to put out at Paizo or they don't care.


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The new game is the Main suspect in here...
http://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo5lkrj?Playtest-the-New-Pathfinder-A dventure-Card#32
And it is not ready, far From it so it can take a quite a lot time untill They have free time to these. I hope very good start to the new modular system. Make it good, make it better! These can wait.


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Hannibal - in your opinion they can wait - many of us who have bought product on the understanding that convention had been established that the sheets would follow will likely disagree - and all opinions are equally valid.

The big issue for me is there in no update however Paizo still find time to comment on other threads so the new game is preventing them from finding their way here.


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Ofcourse, but the new game is most likely reason that these has bee delayed. I own all character decks, so I am Also waiting these. But one people can do just as must as he can and when there Are more important task to do, Other things have to wait...
The release date for the new game has not been announced, so it is not happening very soon. I am guite sure that They would like to get the new game out before christmast season, so maybe we get new character cheets after that? But that is just a ques without any information of the new game timetable.


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Hannibal, if someone can post on the new game thread from Paizo, waxing lyrical about whet is yet to come in the new format, they can spare 1 minute to give us an update on where the new sheets are.

If the answer is we are focusing on the new game so don't expect anything until 2019, then tell us.


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Lone Shark is working on the next PACG set, but I think Paizo is making the character sheets (in cooperation with Lone Shark, of course).
It's more likely that the huge amount of work necessary for the Pathfinder RPG 2.0 playtest is getting in the way of updated community ressources; given that it's their core business, that's an understandable priority from their point of view.


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Seeing a lot of comments along the lines of "THIS is happening now, and THIS is happening now! That's why they're so busy!"

But that begs the question, what was happening back in August 2017 when this thread started? If a Magus Character Sheet was conceived back then, it would have been born by now.

Personally, I'm not desperate for the sheets and I'm all for patience. But a human gestational period does seem like an awfully long time to wait for something that — from the outside looking in — shouldn't be too big a job for a decent graphic designer* to kick out in a few hours.

From the Organized Play side of things, I do miss having up-to-date sheets for players to peruse, especially new players. That visual can be a real hook for the imagination. I had one person flipping through the sheets, and her eyes went wide when she saw Raz, the blue-haired Gnome Paladin riding an armoured warhound. "I wanna be HER." Boom. Sale made.

It feels like letting players down — and costing our store sales — to NOT have some of these characters that are so visually striking "on display." There could be a player out there right now who doesn't even know yet how much they want to play Celeste, or Yoon, or Zelhara, because they haven't had that artwork spark something in their imagination. ("Where are her arms?" "Is that a teddy bear?" "That's a LOT of piercings...")

*I'm married to an exceptional graphic designer if you need to outsource.


Like I said it's probably because it's no-one in particular's job to sort this out. There's probably staff reading this whole discussion right now, thinking "gosh I'm glad this mess isn't my responsibility". No-one's consciously deciding "let's not communicate on this issue at all" it's just that no-one thinks they're the one who's supposed to do it either.


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Bumping this in the hope that Vic or someone else in Paizo might actually be able to give us an update on this.


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Has there been any official response on this since February?


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Sean,

I don't think you will get answer. Personally I have stopped my subscription until I know what is happening with this. Small and probably meaningless gesture I know, however I refuse to buy a product which I have been encouraged to buy historically by a level of product support Paizo can't even be bothered to provide an update on.


To bring up an unusually optimistic suggestion for this thread. I would suggest we consider the possibility that Paizo is waiting for the PACG Playtest to be sufficiently finalized prior to releasing the character sheets online.

I'm not suggesting it's purely a prioritization/time commitment issue, but perhaps a means to minimize people grabbing/printing misleading information.

Consider that the playtest, from what has been seen/blogged from PaizoCon, has unveiled some rather drastic rules changes, or at least significant templating and wording differences. On top of that, we know at least two characters (Rivani from OA1 and Zelhara from HV2) will require rewording/redesign of some of their powers (see the Rules thread on Varril's replacement skill for full context there).

Given that several character decks have not been covered by a sheet yet, and given that printable character sheets often include errata'd/updated text, they could serve as a valuable tool to disseminate characters whom are templated to the 'modern' PACG, based on wording that will be seen in the upcoming 2019 "Core Set". This may be an information dissemination strategy, but it's inhibited by the fact that the playtest needs to be sufficiently finalized before they can get down to rewording and re-templating the character powers for the character/class decks. That may potentially still take months from now, but it does save them having to re-release the sheets down the line (leading to thousands of people 'not getting the memo' that their potentially printed/downloaded character sheets will be out of date as little as a few months after they first got them).

EDIT: If you own a deck, I personally feel you shouldn't have a hard time creating your own version of a character sheet. If you do not own a deck, and simply are looking for the exact stats/text of a given character, then I'm sure various forum-goers will be happy to oblige if anyone asks. Yes, it's not an ideal solution and yes, I would personally prefer more communication on this topic, but there are solutions that people may take.


If you own the deck I really don’t get what the big deal is...either scan and print your cards or photocopy them. Instant character sheet.


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I appreciate your attempt at positivity in this thread Yewstance, but I think you're making a rather weak argument here:

Updated character sheets with a potential updated wording would be rather confusing to use with the old sets, as that would necessitate to look into the newest rulebook to reverse engineer the new language to the simple language that already belongs to the products you own. In particular, the old content will still be the majority of the content when the new core set and AP arrive, so making everything exclusively with the new content in mind doesn't strike me as economic either.

The only reasonable solution I can see is either leaving the current CDs with the old wording while publishing new characters (post core set) with the new wording, or making an alternative download of the updated old character sheets. I believe it will be rather easy to convert old stuff to new stuff rather than the other way around.

That being said, many of the old characters were never given an update in terms of new terms like 'invoke' and the like, so there is no precedent to think that they would redo the old sheets.

Also waiting close to 2 years for a character sheet just to save some work later on doesn't strike me as a very customer centric approach either.

I really don't think they are holding back the sheets on purpose.


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On behalf of people who need it and have already voiced complaints, I'll try a different approach.

Is there anyone with the technical know-how and free time kind enough to share their character sheets that they made for the class decks that don't have official sheets as of yet?

I am asking our PACG community to please help each other out instead of quarrel about what should be done or why. Some things are easier for others to do, some have the time, some don't.

I personally do not need the sheets nor do I have the class decks available at the moment to help but I am hoping someone with a kinder heart can help.

Please help out our fellow PACG players, thank you :)


Doppelschwert wrote:

[...]Also waiting close to 2 years for a character sheet just to save some work later on doesn't strike me as a very customer centric approach either.

I really don't think they are holding back the sheets on purpose.

Point taken, strong rebuttal. At the very least, though, I will emphasise the last point I made; that players interested in specific characters take to the forums to gather that information.

Speaking of...

bbKabag wrote:

On behalf of people who need it and have already voiced complaints, I'll try a different approach.

Is there anyone with the technical know-how and free time kind enough to share their character sheets that they made for the class decks that don't have official sheets as of yet?

I am asking our PACG community to please help each other out instead of quarrel about what should be done or why. Some things are easier for others to do, some have the time, some don't.

I personally do not need the sheets nor do I have the class decks available at the moment to help but I am hoping someone with a kinder heart can help.

Please help out our fellow PACG players, thank you :)

This has actually been brought up in this thread a couple of times. The short answer is that I'm sure several people - myself included - would be happy to share specific character skills and powers...

However, the creation and distribution of full character sheets, including - for example - character art, is a rather more awkward proposition. Making them in your own time is fine, but distributing your own character sheets may not be in line with the community use policy. Keep in mind that these artwork and characters are Paizo's intellectual property.

For the most part, most modern character/class decks are missing one role card and the Card List side of the character sheet's - everything else about a character has already been released in blog posts/previews of the products in question. Of the character decks lacking sheets, I personally own the following boxes;

  • Hunter
  • Magus*
  • Occult Adventures (1&2)
  • Hell's Vengeance (1&2)
  • Ultimate Combat
  • Ultimate Magic

I'm a relative newcomer to Paizo's forums and products, so I'd want to get a second opinion before being certain what is and isn't safe to distribute. Once I get compelling confirmation of the community use as it comes to power texts, I'll happily transcribe some characters from my owned character decks on request if there are still no character sheets available.

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On behalf of people who need it and have already voiced complaints, I'll try a different approach.

Is there anyone with the technical know-how and free time kind enough to share their character sheets that they made for the class decks that don't have official sheets as of yet?

I am asking our PACG community to please help each other out instead of quarrel about what should be done or why. Some things are easier for others to do, some have the time, some don't.

I personally do not need the sheets nor do I have the class decks available at the moment to help but I am hoping someone with a kinder heart can help.

Please help out our fellow PACG players, thank you :)

I will post mine, made with a template originally created by Hawkmoon, over the next few weeks. I'll look you to them from here. They will likely go up on the PACG Wiki page.


Even if I was willing to skirt the Community Use Policy, I don't own most of the decks that haven't had Character Sheets released. :/


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Yeah. The legal issues has what has made me hesitant to share these kinds of things without permission.


Don't mean to beat a dead horse but has there been any updates since May?

I have tried to search for unofficial sheets online with no luck, and I'm not entirely happy with my home made sheet for my character.


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as an FYI - someone from the community has made the character sheets

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