Solarian Black Hole


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So, when reading over the Black Hole ability for Solarian I noticed that (unlike Bullrush and the like from Pathfinder) it didn't explicitly state that I can't use this ability to move enemies into a dangerous situation.

So, before I got too excited, would this still be the case even though the specific text of 'But you can't use it for this' isn't written down? Or will I actually be able to pull enemies into dangerous terrain with this ability?

Exact text of the ability here:

When you're fully graviton-attuned, as a standard action, you can pull any number of creatures within 20 feet of you closer. You choose which creatures are affected and which ones aren't. Each target must succeed at a Fortitude save or be pulled 10 feet toward you. The range of this revelation and the distance pulled increase by 5 feet at 5th level and every 4 levels thereafter. Solid objects do not block this ability, but any creature that runs into a solid object ceases moving closer to you. Creatures moved by this ability do not provoke attacks of opportunity from this movement. After you use this revelation, you immediately
become unattuned. Black hole functions as a zenith revelation for the purposes of abilities that reference them.

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As worded in your text there it doesn't have any specific thing to stop you from pulling them into a fire or a trap or something and I'm fairly certain that is the intent, its a classic trope.

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theheadkase wrote:
As worded in your text there it doesn't have any specific thing to stop you from pulling them into a fire or a trap or something and I'm fairly certain that is the intent, its a classic trope.

Awesome - the main reason I asked is because things like Bullrush and Pushing Assault from Pathfinder both had the caveat of not being able to move an enemy into unsafe territory (like off the edge of a cliff). So, I wasn't sure if that was just uniform RAI across the board, or if it was just for those abilities.


Where did bull rush have that caveat in Pathfinder? You can't push them into an obstacle or solid object was all. Punishing Assault had that caveat but not bull rush from what I can remember.


"Solarian Back Hole" sounds like some sort of space cocktail.


so you could theoretically pull someone into an intervening pit or crevasse if there's one between you and them

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idilippy wrote:
Where did bull rush have that caveat in Pathfinder? You can't push them into an obstacle or solid object was all. Punishing Assault had that caveat but not bull rush from what I can remember.

Just double-checked, I guess I misremembered. Or maybe I combined the obstacle/solid object with difficult terrain.

Distant Scholar wrote:
"Solarian Back Hole" sounds like some sort of space cocktail.

Might just change my Solarian's profession from chef to mixologist now...

dharkus wrote:
so you could theoretically pull someone into an intervening pit or crevasse if there's one between you and them

Yep - bit more situational than supernova, but definitely effective when you can do it.


If you are multi-classing with Solarian,are the range and pull increases for Black Hole on 'character' levels 5, 9, 13, & 17
or
Solarian lvls 5, 9, 13, & 17 ???
the RAW is not specific..

and the wording for the revelation Supernova is specific about the additional fire damage that can be dealt "+1d6 additional fire damage per solarian level".
It then goes on to not be specific about what level types apply to the range increases for Supernova as well..?

does this mean the range will increase on charater lvls and only the additional fire dmg increases on solarian levels?

loop hole? or what would be the RAI??


It's going to key off of your solarian levels only.


baggageboy wrote:
It's going to key off of your solarian levels only.

thanks


Another big thing about Black Hole that I didn't realize until my most novice player pointed it out: You can also use it to pull allies closer to yourself in order to get them to safety.

The solarian in question used that to get all of his allies out of the radius of a grenade blast that another party member readied an action to throw. It won the fight for them.


Reposition in Starfinder does not have that restriction either. It's a race to see who repositions who into a pit first...

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