Make me Daenerys Targaryen!


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Scarab Sages

No, not me you silly nannies.

I have a player wanting to play a Daeny type character for Council of Thieves.

I have a few ideas, but I'd like to see what you folks can come up with.

Assume:

20 point buy
All common races/some uncommon up to 15 RP (player leaning towards Human)
4th Level
Paizo only, no 3rd party and or 3.5

And go!


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First I will say the following may contain spoilers for the show Game of Thrones / book series a song of ice and fire.

Well she has almost no combat abilities and no direct control over dragons. If you wanted to make a character close to her abilities I would says something along the lines of :

Human Commoner 1/Aristocrat 3, high Cha and Int, skills in bluff, diplomacy, sense motive, profession: Queen. Use some of her WBL to buy a dragon hatchling and give her a custom feat that grants wild empathy ability only usable on her dragon.

Grand Lodge

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Summoner or druid. High mental stats, low physical stats.

If summoner, make dragon-like eidolon.
If druid, use drake companion.

Eldritch heritage for fire resistance.

Use spells that are subtle in nature, like buffs or enchantments. Describe it as her coaxing the best out of her pet.

Sovereign Court

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Technically she is just an aristocrat.

But well dragon magazine 307 back in the day, simply made her a sorcerer for simplicity sake, trying to represent her abilities like charm person/suggestion etc...

You could technically represent that with the Imperious Bloodline in Pathfinder.

Whenever you can, pick up the leadership feat to use monster cohort and grab a wyrmling dragon(it won't be awhile...).

Lantern Lodge

Consider making her a Draconic Druid

She will have a Drake as an animal companion.

Drakes are only 2 legged dragons and not full dragons (4 legged), but this would fit the images of Westeros Dragons.

The removal of most of a druid's abilities (which is usually a big minus) will suit her as she is supposed to be a Aristocrat in the first place.

Also consider homebrewing her to use Cha based in place of Wis based class. To signify her "rulership" role.
Or keep the need for Wis (she is supposed to more wise) and just remind her NOT to dump Cha.

Finally, she will be able to take on some aspects of a dragon and becomes an actual dragon herself at higher levels.

Draconic Druid wrote:
Dragon Shape: A draconic druid can’t use wild shape to change into any of the usual forms available to a druid. Instead, at 4th level, she can use wild shape to change into a dragon-scaled version of herself with long fangs, gaining a +1 natural armor bonus to her AC and a bite attack appropriate for her size (1d6 points of damage for a Medium druid) but otherwise retaining her usual form. At 10th level, she can spend two uses of wild shape to transform into a Medium dragon as per form of the dragon I, and at 12th level, she can spend two uses to change into a Large dragon as per form of the dragon II. Each time that a draconic druid uses wild shape counts as a separate casting of the spell for the purpose of refreshing her uses of her breath weapon.

Draconic Druid is from Legacy of Dragons pg. 24

Oh! and a Final thing. Make it a special trait for her to have resistance to fire or have her pick up a dragon bloodline via Eldritch Heritage.


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Remember to have all the worst monologues. And have all the other party members inform the rest of the world about how great you are and amazing to follow, but don't ever actually show that.

Have really uncomfortable messianic moments of you riding a sea of worshipping brown people, but keep up pretenses of 'freeing' them as you conscript/rule them.

When people bring up the problems with your plan based on history or a lack of foundation with your birthright, imply mass amounts of dragon fire will solve all of these. Then assure all possible detractors that you'll be different from the OTHER dragon people who ravaged their countryside for centuries.

Use your birthright to justify your claim to rule at every possible moment, but deny any connection to the history of that birthright, because that would be unfair. :(

You are now ready to go forth and 'break the wheel.'

Scarab Sages

CryntheCrow wrote:

Remember to have all the worst monologues. And have all the other party members inform the rest of the world about how great you are and amazing to follow, but don't ever actually show that.

Have really uncomfortable messianic moments of you riding a sea of worshipping brown people, but keep up pretenses of 'freeing' them as you conscript/rule them.

When people bring up the problems with your plan based on history or a lack of foundation with your birthright, imply mass amounts of dragon fire will solve all of these. Then assure all possible detractors that you'll be different from the OTHER dragon people who ravaged their countryside for centuries.

Use your birthright to justify your claim to rule at every possible moment, but deny any connection to the history of that birthright, because that would be unfair. :(

You are now ready to go forth and 'break the wheel.'

Salty!

But, you are actually hitting the nail on the head for me.

I'm a big proponent of the book series, and have read it multiple times.

I've not watched the TV series that much, but I have seen a bunch of highlights on Youtube and such, I've followed the plot along. I like Emilia Clarke, but the character.

This is Pathfinder. This is for the AP Council of Thieves.

I cannot wrap my head around a build, nor can I wrap my mind around why this character would be in Westcrown in Cheliax trying to fit into the plot.

My first question to the player was "What do you envision your character doing?" and when he couldn't really answer so well, I told him that she basically talks smack and gets raped. It's harsh, but true.

I don't know. I'm really struggling with this, and I hope that the player isn't blowing in the wind on this one.

He mentioned playing a Brood Master Summoner (to have 3 dragons, like Daeny) but man does that nerfbat the crap out of the Eidolon. Normally, I'd be against that, but I know from playing a Summoner that the Eidolon is basically the most dangerous part of the class. My beef with that is that Daeny doesn't cast magic.

There really is no class for her that is Pathfinder oriented, with perhaps the most basic concepts of cavalier, although she doesn't really fight at all.


If I were you I would have a long conversation with your player as to exactly what they mean by "Daenerys type character".

Do they want a straight adaptation? Which, as others have pointed out, leaves you with a character with no combat ability and no *real* control over her dragons(never mind how you get dragons).

Or do they want a character with similar themes? Someone who is exiled royalty, heir to a legacy that was taken from them before they were born? Do they want someone with fire/dragon based magic?

Get to the bottom of that question, make a judgment call as to whether or not the character the player wants to play really fits in the AP, express to the player just what this AP is, and see if you can't work with them to figure something out that satisfies the core of what they want to do while still having them fit in the framework of the story you and your players are trying to tell together.


Start as a level 1 Aristocrat with a dragon egg and Resist Fire 5.

At level 2, you're still a level 1 Aristocrat, but you have a Tiny CR2 dragon companion. (Base on White dragon wyrmling stats but switch ice abilities to fire.)

At level 3, she's a level 2 Aristocrat and gains Resist Fire 10; the dragon remains the same.

At level 4, the dragon becomes a Small CR 4 (use Very Young White Dragon stats).

At level 5, she's level 3 and gains Resist Fire 15; the dragon remains the same.

At level 6, the dragon becomes a Medium CR 6 Young dragon.

At level 7, the dragon becomes a Medium CR 7 Juvenile dragon and she reaches level 4.

At level 8, she rises to level 5 and gains Resist Fire 20.

At level 9, she rises to level 6.

At level 10, she rises to level 7 and the dragon becomes a Large CR 9.

...and so on.
A CR 7 dragon is supposed to be equivalent in combat power to a level 7 PC, so it should be approximately balanced. Then again, dragons are pretty strong for their CR, so it might work better promoting the dragon later and the Aristocrat sooner to reduce the risk of sudden death.


George RR Martin has gone on record as saying book Dany isn't even fire proof and the time she wasn't burned hatching the dragon eggs was a one off magical event. The show went a different way, though.

But again we probably need greater clarification as to what exactly the player in question wants.


FormerFiend wrote:

George RR Martin has gone on record as saying book Dany isn't even fire proof and the time she wasn't burned hatching the dragon eggs was a one off magical event. The show went a different way, though.

But again we probably need greater clarification as to what exactly the player in question wants.

Hmm like the shows way better. Somehow makes more sense.


I don't particularly have a preference, really.

The way it is in the books is part of a larger, deliberate effort on the part of the author to create an air of awe, mystery, and dread around the nature of magic. Magic in this world is deliberately vague, ill defined, and misunderstood. Even many of the people who use magic regularly don't know how it works, only that it does work, usually. Only thing one can be vaguely sure of is that magic doesn't come without cost and sacrifice.

The suggestion is in that one scene, Dany was unknowingly performing a blood magic ritual by sacrificing the witch who poisoned Drogo on his funeral pyre, along with the dragon eggs that are innately magical objects. Her immunity to the fire in that instance(which in the books wasn't complete, as her hair was completely singed off) was a side effect of that ritual, not an innate power she possesses; this is demonstrated in later books where she actually suffers severe burns in one instance.

The show way makes it something unique to Dany. It's not a valarian thing or a Targaryian thing; multiple Targaryens had been killed by burning in the past. One drank wild fire to try and turn himself into a dragon, one burned himself alive trying to hatch dragon eggs. Dany's brother was burned to death with molten gold. Targaryens tend to have higher thresholds for heat than most people(demonstrated by Dany not being bothered by hot baths throughout the series prior to hatching the dragons), but they still burn.

Except, fire doesn't burn Dany after that event. Maybe she's uniquely fire proof due to being the Prince That Was Promised, or maybe the side effect of the blood magic ritual she didn't know she was performing was permanent in the show while it was only temporary in the book. It's not really clear.


Does it mention if her father was fire-proof?


It does not. Ironically he was killed right before he would have put it to the test.

That being said, there's no indication that anyone else in her family was fire proof at all. Enough of her ancestors burned to death with no single mention of another being fire proof. And her family is one heavily imbred line descended from three siblings(a brother and two sisters who were in a polygamous, incestuous marriage). So there's no reason why her father would be special in that regard, either. And, of course, very specifically, her brother was *not* fire proof.

And it's not like those relatives who burned to death were retconned out of the show, either. They get mentioned in a few lines here and there and several of the History and Lore DVD extras that have characters from the show explain backstory deal with them.

So it isn't something she inherited genetically.

Though it is suggested to some extent that what control/influence she has over her dragons might be; mostly it's them recognizing her as their mother and having an imprinted bond with her, but there's something more to it than that. In the books who they're hostile to and who they're friendly with has nothing to do with the nature of the character in question; whether they're a good or bad person, whether they're loyal to Dany or mean her harm, that doesn't seem to factor in. Rather they seem to like people based on how much Valyrian ancestry they have.

Though it's also pointed out that the bond between Valyrian dragon riders is a somewhat exclusive thing; dragons may have more than one rider because they live longer than humans, but a dragon rider will only ever ride one dragon and no other dragon will allow them to ride, afterwards. I forget whether or not a dragon will have more than one rider while their primary rider is still alive, though.


FormerFiend wrote:


Though it's also pointed out that the bond between Valyrian dragon riders is a somewhat exclusive thing; dragons may have more than one rider because they live longer than humans, but a dragon rider will only ever ride one dragon and no other dragon will allow them to ride, afterwards. I forget whether or not a dragon will have more than one rider while their primary rider is still alive, though.

It works both ways. A dragon can take a new rider presuming their current bonded one snuffs it, not before.

Easy example of that would be Balereon the Black who had a few riders over his...200-300 year lifespan before he died of dragon old age.


Surprised no one mentioned how they would stat the dragons themselves, currently. I would take a flame drake, or something similar, and raise its HD enough to be maybe gargantuan (14 HD in the flame drake's case).


Bomanz wrote:

No, not me you silly nannies.

I have a player wanting to play a Daeny type character for Council of Thieves.

I have a few ideas, but I'd like to see what you folks can come up with.

Assume:

20 point buy
All common races/some uncommon up to 15 RP (player leaning towards Human)
4th Level
Paizo only, no 3rd party and or 3.5

And go!

While everyone is right to call out that this is potentially difficult concept mechanically, I would point out that the Draconic Shaman could work well. The drakes do scale in a fashion similar to Danys drakes and shes got enough magic from unknown sources that shaman makes sense. Shamans have just enough enchantment magic and fire spells too to represent her supernatural abilities. Hexes fill out the rest. Eventually she could ride the drake into battle at higher levels.


She's just an aristocrat with lots of ranks in diplomacy, bluff, etc and picked up Leadership to get a dragon cohorts.

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Maybe she's a 3.5 dragon shaman? They are Charisma and Constitution based, act as buffers through auras, have a double-strength Lay on Hands, a breath weapon, and eventually, immunity to an energy type.

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