So, regarding full attack action and natural attacks, I have a pretty simple question. If you are making a full attack action, can you add all your natural attacks into the mix? If so, is the only difference between primary and secondary attacks the attack bonus? Is there a limit to how many natural attacks you can have this way? I have a monk with two natural attacks, one primary bite and one secondary tail slap, with an extra ki punch does he really get four attacks, with three of them being at his full attack bonus? Cause that feels like a lot for a fourth level monk.
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can you only add secondary attacks into your full attack action?
any help would be appreciated on this topic.
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There's a few different rules interaction we have to address here. First of all, there are two different kinds of natural attacks, primary and secondary. But you already knew that. Primary attacks are at full BAB and deal full strength mod to damage. Secondary attack are made at a -5 to full BAB and deal .5 strength mod to damage. When making a full attack action with both a manufactured weapon and a natural weapon, all natural weapons are treated as secondary natural attacks, even if they're normally a primary natural attack. There is no hard limit to how many natural attacks you can make if you have them, however you can only have one natural attack per limb, plus stuff like bite or gore, or things like wings or tails. Usually it requires magic to get anything but a bite, claws, a gore, or maybe hoofs.
Now, onto the monk. Monks can't normally combine a flurry of blows with natural attacks. There are feats that allow this, and you only need one natural attack, and can make all of the attacks with the natural weapon. Unless you're a monk/druid multiclass though, it's usually better to just stick with unarmed strikes, or manufactured weapons.
If you are making a full attack action, can you add all your natural attacks into the mix?
Yes, provided you aren't using the same limb twice. If you're using an arm with a clawed hand at the end for a claw attack, you cannot ALSO attack with a dagger in that hand at the same time.
If so, is the only difference between primary and secondary attacks the attack bonus?
Yes. Note, however, that if you combine natural attacks with manufactured weapon attacks, any primary natural attacks will be treated as secondary attacks. See the rules reference below.
Is there a limit to how many natural attacks you can have this way?
Only physiological. A creature has the natural attacks that the Bestiary says it has.
I have a monk with two natural attacks, one primary bite and one secondary tail slap, with an extra ki punch does he really get four attacks, with three of them being at his full attack bonus?
EDIT: Ninja'd
EDIT: Ninja'd
So, Unarmed Strike, Unarmed Strike (by spending a ki), Bite (I'm guessing from "Toothy" or the like ?), Tailslap (kobold tail terror or something ?)
Can you only add secondary attacks into your full attack action?
To get more than one attack (of any type), you must full-attack. Unless your full attack contains a manufactured weapon attack, primary natural attacks are part of your full-attack. If you DO include a manufactured weapon in your full attack, your primary attacks are still included, but become secondary.
Sny help would be appreciated on this topic.
Natural Attacks: Attacks made with natural weapons, such as claws and bites, are melee attacks that can be made against any creature within your reach (usually 5 feet). These attacks are made using your full attack bonus and deal an amount of damage that depends on their type (plus your Strength modifier, as normal). You do not receive additional natural attacks for a high base attack bonus. Instead, you receive additional attack rolls for multiple limb and body parts capable of making the attack (as noted by the race or ability that grants the attacks). If you possess only one natural attack (such as a bite—two claw attacks do not qualify), you add 1–1/2 times your Strength bonus on damage rolls made with that attack.
Some natural attacks are denoted as secondary natural attacks, such as tails and wings. Attacks with secondary natural attacks are made using your base attack bonus minus 5. These attacks deal an amount of damage depending on their type, but you only add half your Strength modifier on damage rolls.
You can make attacks with natural weapons in combination with attacks made with a melee weapon and unarmed strikes, so long as a different limb is used for each attack. For example, you cannot make a claw attack and also use that hand to make attacks with a longsword. When you make additional attacks in this way, all of your natural attacks are treated as secondary natural attacks, using your base attack bonus minus 5 and adding only 1/2 of your Strength modifier on damage rolls. Feats such as Two-Weapon Fighting and Multiattack can reduce these penalties.
Alright that is all very helpful and more explanatory than d20pfsrd could give me. I promise I tried to figure this out on my own. I should really read the book more often.
If you are making a full attack action, can you add all your natural attacks into the mix?
Normally yes, but depends on the limbs you have.
Your monk's punches and kicks are not natural attacks, but "armed"-unarmed strikes. The moment you are going to mix manufactured weapon or unarmed strike attacks AND natural attack, ALL natural attacks are considered secondary until your next round (must tell your GM before any attack is made if you're going to mix). Also, you cannot use the same limb for a natural attack and a manufactured weapon/unarmed strike attack (in your scenario doesn't matter, since you're using Head and Tail "limbs" for your nats)
If so, is the only difference between primary and secondary attacks the attack bonus?
Secondary attacks have an attack bonus penalty and only add 1/2 STR bonus to damage
Is there a limit to how many natural attacks you can have this way?
There's no limit, you can attack once per natural attack you have (still, take into account q1 you made. Since your're still limb-limited).
I have a monk with two natural attacks, one primary bite and one secondary tail slap, with an extra ki punch does he really get four attacks, with three of them being at his full attack bonus?
Considering your monk is "chained", you can't spend the ki point that way, since it only applies to attacks made under a Flurry of Blows. Flurry of Blows is an (ex) ability that demands a Full-round action, so if you flurry you cannot make extra natural attacks since you already spent all your actions for that round.
If you do not use Flurry of blows, you can, as a Full-attack action, make as many iterative unarmed strikes as you get based on your BAB, plus two secondary natural attacks (the bite and the tail slap)
I have a monk with two natural attacks, one primary bite and one secondary tail slap, with an extra ki punch does he really get four attacks, with three of them being at his full attack bonus?Considering your monk is "chained", you can't spend the ki point that way, since it only applies to attacks made under a Flurry of Blows. Flurry of Blows is an (ex) ability that demands a Full-round action, so if you flurry you cannot make extra natural attacks since you already spent all your actions for that round.
If you do not use Flurry of blows, you can, as a Full-attack action, make as many iterative unarmed strikes as you get based on your BAB, plus two secondary natural attacks (the bite and the tail slap)
Oh I meant unchained monk. Honestly if the DM allows it I don't know why anyone would play the "chained" monk, rogue or summoner. (there's definite benefits to "chained" barbarian, like the cmb/cmd bonuses from strength)
Oh I meant unchained monk. Honestly if the DM allows it I don't know why anyone would play the "chained" monk, rogue or summoner. (there's definite benefits to "chained" barbarian, like the cmb/cmd bonuses from strength)
Checked again the U-monk, and rules are the same for both. the extra ki attack only counts when performing a Flurry, and flurry has no changes from chained monk, u-flurry also counts as full-attack so you're out of actions.