When will Legacy of the First World and Adventurer's Armory 2 be vetted for Additional Resources?


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Alex Augunas wrote:
However, it likely depends whether the PFS Scenario team wants to take the hard stance that the campaign takes place after the events of certain APs. For instance, the Sanguine Angels wouldn't exist if the PCs hadn't completed the AP that shattered the Gray Maidens first.

I think I asked Mr. Compton about this at the Adventurer's Guide panel. Someone check the transcript! ^_^

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Alex Augunas wrote:
Craig Logan 597 wrote:
Muser wrote:
Craig Logan 597 wrote:


For me, the Adventurers Guide has some Archtypes and Prestige Classes I'm dying to try out (Blossoming Light Cleric, Halcyon Druid, Sanguine Angel).

Have we ever had to wait this long for an AR update after a new hardcover has been released?

I wouldn't keep my hopes up for the Sanguine Angel. They make it pretty clear in the Gray Maiden article that Erinyes Company is all about serving Thrune and being evil cretinous cretizens.
There is also the group that split off and they are seemingly at odds with Erinyes Company. They would be a viable option for PFS characters.
However, it likely depends whether the PFS Scenario team wants to take the hard stance that the campaign takes place after the events of certain APs. For instance, the Sanguine Angels wouldn't exist if the PCs hadn't completed the AP that shattered the Gray Maidens first.

It's even more confusing given that it's two potentially three APs that occur with them.

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I would not get your hopes up about making archery single statted.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:

I would not get your hopes up about making archery single statted.

Ranged single stat characters exist.

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In addition, I supect that an archery build that had to burn feats on Improved Shield Bash and Weapon Focus (longsword)... that has to dip two levels in an otherwise-unhelpful PrC instead of advancing class features... and that doesn't come online until 7th level... isn't going to be the biggest threat to organized play. ^_^

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I simultaneously want and do not want to see sanguine angel in PFS, and the reason for both is the same: it is a hilariously gonzo PrC.

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Isabelle Lee wrote:
In addition, I supect that an archery build that had to burn feats on Improved Shield Bash and Weapon Focus (longsword)... that has to dip two levels in an otherwise-unhelpful PrC instead of advancing class features... and that doesn't come online until 7th level... isn't going to be the biggest threat to organized play. ^_^

I mostly agree. Realistically even at the high levels it's only going to be an extra 4 or so damage per arrow. In exchange for AC, reflex saves, and initiative. On a related note Furious Huntress is a great ability for a normally melee character to pick up. Oh? That enemy is flying and I have to use my bow? Turns out I'm amazing with it.

However I think this Prestige Class is more likely to be banned from Organized Play for flavor reasons than power. Much like the Grey Gardeners of Galt, this is a very small organization very strongly tied to a particular mission. Not saying it won't happen, just that it may be difficult to justify their inclusion in PFS.

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Kevin Willis wrote:
However I think this Prestige Class is more likely to be banned from Organized Play for flavor reasons than power. Much like the Grey Gardeners of Galt, this is a very small organization very strongly tied to a particular mission. Not saying it won't happen, just that it may be difficult to justify their inclusion in PFS.

I would totally understand that. And, even then... I can still hope for a Chronicle sheet unlock. ^_^

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What does gonzo mean?

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CorvusMask wrote:
What does gonzo mean?

I believe it's a form of journalism.

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Is the new apellation, Queens of Night, the go-to one now? I kinda liked Whore Queens in the context of Hell's misogyny, but I get the change.

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Muser wrote:
Is the new apellation, Queens of Night, the go-to one now? I kinda liked Whore Queens in the context of Hell's misogyny, but I get the change.

I heard that the Queen of Nights is what they call themselves and old name is what rest of the hell calls them due to misogyny.

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Kalindlara wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
What does gonzo mean?
I believe it's a form of journalism.

I keep thinking of the muppet

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Tineke Bolleman wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
What does gonzo mean?
I believe it's a form of journalism.
I keep thinking of the muppet

Gonzo originated as a term to describe "journalism" that is subjective and either greatly exaggerated or fictionalized as opposed to the more traditional factual and detached style. Or as we might also say - "based on a true story."

The actual origins of the term are shrouded in myth and confusion and no one really knows for sure what the original derivation was. The Muppet "Gonzo" was created about the same time and there really isn't any good evidence that one inspired the other or if it was just a case of parallel emergence.

Many of these non-objective journalistic reports were crazy, outlandish, and over-the-top (deliberately so). The term has now morphed to describe anything over-the-top in any field.

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First use that I'm aware of: Raoul Duke and his attorney, Dr. Gonzo.
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, by Hunter S. Thompson.

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I'm itching for this update. There's a bunch of stuff I'd love to build with but I'm waiting to find out about legality.

Gen Con is next weekend, right? So we'll hopefully get an update sometime over the next week?

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102 days and counting.

I'm playing my Lore Warden at a game this weekend, and it would be really helpful if I knew whether or not he needs rebuilding. Hopefully they won't do something crazy like banning it on Friday while I'm at work.

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Deal is even if they did issue the AR, you're fine to play it due to the rule that you didn't have sufficient time to fix it before the game was scheduled.

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Thomas Hutchins wrote:
Deal is even if they did issue the AR, you're fine to play it due to the rule that you didn't have sufficient time to fix it before the game was scheduled.

Just because the rules say I can ignore the rules, doesn't mean I want to.

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shaventalz wrote:
Thomas Hutchins wrote:
Deal is even if they did issue the AR, you're fine to play it due to the rule that you didn't have sufficient time to fix it before the game was scheduled.
Just because the rules say I can ignore the rules, doesn't mean I want to.

That is such a weird sentence but an understandable sentiment.

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[rant]It is really beginning to feel like pFS is being pushed aside because of Starfinder. That the answer is not soon, but latter, maybe, if we feel like ,it. I get that there is a new game coming out, but at times it feels as though Paizo would rather set up PFS to die a quiet whimpering death.[/rant]

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Nohwear wrote:
[rant]It is really beginning to feel like pFS is being pushed aside because of Starfinder. That the answer is not soon, but latter, maybe, if we feel like ,it. I get that there is a new game coming out, but at times it feels as though Paizo would rather set up PFS to die a quiet whimpering death.[/rant]

I'd be surprised if that were true, given that I imagine it's one of the steadier avenues by which they make money.

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I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
Nohwear wrote:
[rant]It is really beginning to feel like pFS is being pushed aside because of Starfinder. That the answer is not soon, but latter, maybe, if we feel like ,it. I get that there is a new game coming out, but at times it feels as though Paizo would rather set up PFS to die a quiet whimpering death.[/rant]
I'd be surprised if that were true, given that I imagine it's one of the steadier avenues by which they make money.

If they gave it more attention they could make even more money. If stuff was on the AR list to use when it comes out to subscribers I would 100% subscribe in a heartbeat. Early access to content is irrelevant when I can't use that content. As is, I see little to no reason to ever subscribe.

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I hope that I am wrong, but it still feels like PFS is being neglected way more then what one should expect from the launch of Starfinder.

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Nohwear wrote:
I hope that I am wrong, but it still feels like PFS is being neglected way more then what one should expect from the launch of Starfinder.

I agree that it feels neglected recently, and that it's also syncing up with this time that starfinder is being done, so it's easy to assume that starfinder is the reason for the neglected feeling.

Now it may be something else causing issues, like someone's been sick for weeks or leaves and it just happened to be when starfinder is coming out but starfinder isn't the reason.

Or starfinder is the reason.

This is situations where I wish they were more open. Like I thought I heard they had an AR update ready like a month or more ago and were going to do a quick check of a new book and push it. Obviously that was delayed, but we don't know why. And the not knowing why grows lots of unrest, especially if there's a nice target to assign blame can cause a big issue out of nothing.

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Nohwear wrote:
I hope that I am wrong, but it still feels like PFS is being neglected way more then what one should expect from the launch of Starfinder.

The part that bugs me is that supposedly the new content has already be reviewed and is ready to go up, and just... hasn't. I took a quick look and couldn't find it, but I remember reading a post from leadership about the content being ready to go.

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Wayne Bradbury wrote:
Nohwear wrote:
I hope that I am wrong, but it still feels like PFS is being neglected way more then what one should expect from the launch of Starfinder.
The part that bugs me is that supposedly the new content has already be reviewed and is ready to go up, and just... hasn't. I took a quick look and couldn't find it, but I remember reading a post from leadership about the content being ready to go.

Here you go. July 12. Adventurer's Guide was ready nearly a month ago, and they were just "adding a few other resources before posting it."

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shaventalz wrote:
Wayne Bradbury wrote:
The part that bugs me is that supposedly the new content has already be reviewed and is ready to go up, and just... hasn't. I took a quick look and couldn't find it, but I remember reading a post from leadership about the content being ready to go.
Here you go. July 12. Adventurer's Guide was ready nearly a month ago, and they were just "adding a few other resources before posting it."

That is exactly the post I was thinking of. Thank you.

So if it's ready to go, why haven't we gotten it? Or at least heard something about it?

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Wayne Bradbury wrote:
shaventalz wrote:
Wayne Bradbury wrote:
The part that bugs me is that supposedly the new content has already be reviewed and is ready to go up, and just... hasn't. I took a quick look and couldn't find it, but I remember reading a post from leadership about the content being ready to go.
Here you go. July 12. Adventurer's Guide was ready nearly a month ago, and they were just "adding a few other resources before posting it."

That is exactly the post I was thinking of. Thank you.

So if it's ready to go, why haven't we gotten it? Or at least heard something about it?

It's possible that the blowback from the Adventurer's Guide caused them to rethink whatever they'd decided on it. I somewhat doubt it, as there'd already been a month of arguments by then, but it's possible.

That's the thing, though - it's all guesswork. Maybe they're changing their minds. Maybe someone important to the process got violently ill. Maybe the website update process is just as painful as they've implied. Maybe they're trying to kill PFS. Maybe they just don't feel like updating. The lack of any communication is not helping Paizo's cause.

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shaventalz wrote:


It's possible that the blowback from the Adventurer's Guide caused them to rethink whatever they'd decided on it.

What kind of "blowback?"

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I'm Hiding In Your Closet wrote:
shaventalz wrote:


It's possible that the blowback from the Adventurer's Guide caused them to rethink whatever they'd decided on it.
What kind of "blowback?"

How about this thread, for starters?

Or the arguments in the product thread (some of which was deleted)?
Or the concerns from this thread?
Also another thread very like this one - technically not about the Adventuer's Guide, but the perception of pay-per-errata definitely comes through in some of the posts.

There's probably more, but I don't feel like hunting through random threads to find it.

It tends to boil down to people saying:
1) This is the wrong product line / why spoilers (not strictly PFS-related, but contributing some to the mood)
2) Why should I pay for a new hardcover to use content that I've already got?
3) why u nerf martials?
4) If <option> was a problem, why didn't you do something in the last eight years?

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If we made less work for the moderator, she'd have more time to upload the AR.

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KingOfNinjas wrote:
If we made less work for the moderator, she'd have more time to upload the AR.

While, granted, I'm not particularly familiar with the internal dynamics and responsibilities of the team, forum moderators are not generally the people in charge of updating site content.

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Wayne Bradbury wrote:
KingOfNinjas wrote:
If we made less work for the moderator, she'd have more time to upload the AR.
While, granted, I'm not particularly familiar with the internal dynamics and responsibilities of the team, forum moderators are not generally the people in charge of updating site content.

Pretty sure Chris does both.

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Paizocon and Gencon have always caused time crunches for the campaign.

Launching a new product line, let alone a new organized play campaign for that product line, is also a bit above and beyond the shiny new hardcover we usually get at Gencon. I would be surprised if that didn't play into it.

Not to mention the ongoing issues with the website came to a head not too many months ago and although we don't know for sure, there was talk that some systems had gone down and had not been brought back up. Remember that it's not the PFS team that handles that, it's other members of the web staff.

Plus Tonya has a completely insane travel schedule and that can't be helping things.

And they usually have at least a couple other things going on behind the scenes that they don't talk about.

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I'd agree that it seems like PFS needs to hire at least another couple of people. And I'd be surprised if John helping out with the SFS stuff wasn't cutting into his PFS time. But I bet that they'll get back to a more normal state sometime soon after they recover from Gencon.

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Craig Logan 597 wrote:

It's not just the waiting 95 days+ since the last update. It's also that a new hardcover was released that impacts a number of players current characters. The sooner the AR update is released the sooner players can make the needed rebuilds and adjustments to characters. It sucks going to a Con and having to make changes to a character the night before.

For me, the Adventurers Guide has some Archtypes and Prestige Classes I'm dying to try out (Blossoming Light Cleric, Halcyon Druid, Sanguine Angel).

Have we ever had to wait this long for an AR update after a new hardcover has been released?

It is for precisely this reason that at this point it either needs to come out like literally right now or not until after GenCon.

Anything else - like say the night before the con - would just cause chaos for no reason.

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Douglas Edwards wrote:

Anything else - like say the night before the con - would just cause chaos for no reason.

What, you didn't like the 5-star GMs getting five rerolls per session last year?

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AR update finally went up today, and does not include Adventurer's Armory 2. :(

Also, Shamanic Enhancement is not legal. This saddens me. :(

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not including AA2 is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had XD. I really enjoyed the first one so much I bought 2 before it hit AR. and have been waiting... now I might have to wait another 100 days? :(

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leonvios wrote:
not including AA2 is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had XD. I really enjoyed the first one so much I bought 2 before it hit AR. and have been waiting... now I might have to wait another 100 days? :(

That and banning the seducer (I really wanted a Charisma-based witch) was a big punch in the gut.

It sucks for me because I don't want to make any purchasing decisions for my barrel-wielding brewmaster until I find out whether or not gloves of improvised might are legal.

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So I used to think Irori's Deific obedience was op. now we have Magdh 's fey obedience :/ which is a +4 to all Int skills not just knowledges. I have not chosen a Deity for my Empiric Investigator... and this option would be a huge boost...

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leonvios wrote:
So I used to think Irori's Deific obedience was op. now we have Magdh 's fey obedience :/ which is a +4 to all Int skills not just knowledges. I have not chosen a Deity for my Empiric Investigator... and this option would be a huge boost...

You might want to have a look at the Campaign Clarifications first. ^_^

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The Order of the Blossom is legal, that's good news for me, at least.

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Kalindlara wrote:
leonvios wrote:
So I used to think Irori's Deific obedience was op. now we have Magdh 's fey obedience :/ which is a +4 to all Int skills not just knowledges. I have not chosen a Deity for my Empiric Investigator... and this option would be a huge boost...
You might want to have a look at the Campaign Clarifications first. ^_^

Thank god :). now I do not have to feel like I am ignoring a very strong feat for my character :)

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Kevin Willis wrote:
Tineke Bolleman wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
What does gonzo mean?
I believe it's a form of journalism.
I keep thinking of the muppet

Gonzo originated as a term to describe "journalism" that is subjective and either greatly exaggerated or fictionalized as opposed to the more traditional factual and detached style. Or as we might also say - "based on a true story."

The actual origins of the term are shrouded in myth and confusion and no one really knows for sure what the original derivation was. The Muppet "Gonzo" was created about the same time and there really isn't any good evidence that one inspired the other or if it was just a case of parallel emergence.

Many of these non-objective journalistic reports were crazy, outlandish, and over-the-top (deliberately so). The term has now morphed to describe anything over-the-top in any field.

Fake news.

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Cyrad wrote:
leonvios wrote:
not including AA2 is one of the biggest disappointments I have ever had XD. I really enjoyed the first one so much I bought 2 before it hit AR. and have been waiting... now I might have to wait another 100 days? :(

That and banning the seducer (I really wanted a Charisma-based witch) was a big punch in the gut.

It sucks for me because I don't want to make any purchasing decisions for my barrel-wielding brewmaster until I find out whether or not gloves of improvised might are legal.

I'm entirely surprised Chronomancer is legal because it seems to violate the rule of an archetype being more powerful than what it gives up.

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Nefreet wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Tineke Bolleman wrote:
Kalindlara wrote:
CorvusMask wrote:
What does gonzo mean?
I believe it's a form of journalism.
I keep thinking of the muppet

Gonzo originated as a term to describe "journalism" that is subjective and either greatly exaggerated or fictionalized as opposed to the more traditional factual and detached style. Or as we might also say - "based on a true story."

The actual origins of the term are shrouded in myth and confusion and no one really knows for sure what the original derivation was. The Muppet "Gonzo" was created about the same time and there really isn't any good evidence that one inspired the other or if it was just a case of parallel emergence.

Many of these non-objective journalistic reports were crazy, outlandish, and over-the-top (deliberately so). The term has now morphed to describe anything over-the-top in any field.

Fake news.

Sort of, but with a different kind of flair, from a bygone era :P

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MadScientistWorking wrote:
I'm entirely surprised Chronomancer is legal because it seems to violate the rule of an archetype being more powerful than what it gives up.

Wait, that made it in? I might have to crack open Hero Lab and start building...

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Kalindlara wrote:
MadScientistWorking wrote:
I'm entirely surprised Chronomancer is legal because it seems to violate the rule of an archetype being more powerful than what it gives up.
Wait, that made it in? I might have to crack open Hero Lab and start building...

A bunch of Gray Maiden stuff did too ^w^

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I already built those in anticipation, though.

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