Flamboyant Arcana still neutered?


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So, I was reviewing the Additional Resources page and it's showing that all the arcana on page 104 of the ACG are available, with no exceptions. Does this mean that the abilities work as originally listed, or does the magus still have a 0 panache pool without taking Amateur Swashbuckler? My kitsune magus was built as a swashbuckler type, but then they nuked these abilities. Kind of stinks for my build if it's still fried. I mean, I have other ideas for the character, but still would like to have that without having to multi-class.


Arcane deed is pointless, but flamboyant arcana is useful still.


Is this a PFS question?


Yes, PFS. Think I might have dropped it into the wrong area. It was late.

Scarab Sages

I don't think this is a question for the PFS team, though. It's a rules question. There was another thread recently in the Rule forum. I'll try to track it down. I think the general sense was that Flamboyant Arcana does not contain the language from Arcane Deed stating that you aren't considered to have any Panache. So, I think that means that for Opportune Parry and Riposte, you are considered to have 1 Panache in your pool if you have 1 point in your Arcane Pool. But for other deeds that you might take with Arcane Deed (i.e., Precise Strike), you are not considered to have 1 Panache, and thus, they don't really work.

EDIT: Here is the LINK. It was a similarly short thread. For some reason I thought there had been more discussion.


PMSchulz wrote:
So, I was reviewing the Additional Resources page and it's showing that all the arcana on page 104 of the ACG are available, with no exceptions. Does this mean that the abilities work as originally listed, or does the magus still have a 0 panache pool without taking Amateur Swashbuckler? My kitsune magus was built as a swashbuckler type, but then they nuked these abilities. Kind of stinks for my build if it's still fried. I mean, I have other ideas for the character, but still would like to have that without having to multi-class.

It's worse than that.

Arcane Deed wrote:
Even if he gains a panache pool through another means, the magus is not considered to have at least 1 point in his panache pool for the purpose of deeds selected with arcane deed

Flamboyant Arcana, at least, does not have this language. I would still double check with your local VC and get him to sign off on it to make sure there is no table variation.


::Sigh:: So, no point in taking Arcane Deed. And no point in Amateur Swashbuckler, either. Well, fudge. Maybe I'll look into some of the kitsune feats...


Yeah, that is... just wasted space now, sadly.

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