What class to add to a succubus?


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So, my gm has allowed me to play a Redeemed succubus based off of the character Arushalae from the Wrath of the Riteous AP.
Basically, Chaotic Good, energy drain got replaced with a weird breath of life and restoration crossbreed ability that costs a negative level each time it's used, and kept the gift but the bonus is now a sacred bonus instead of profane.
Other than that, still a succubus. I was planning on going rogue/shadowdancer, but I was wondering if there were any other good options y'all might build something like that into.


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What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

I think of the primary Ability Score of a Succubus to be Charisma. So, what are some Charisma Classes?

Sorcerer, Oracle, Bard, and Paladin, and I'm sure I'm missing some.

Sorcerer, Oracle, and Bard are pretty straightforward.

A Demon that becomes a Paladin sounds pretty hardcore.

Of course, you could be some kind of a Grappler...


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BARBARIAN! GET MAD! BREAK SPINES! LOOK GOOD WHILE DOING IT!


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I'd suggest going an unchained monk(scaled fist), it scales your monk abilities (including your ac bonus) off charisma. With the succubus' stats, and using jabbing style you should be able to make a nearly untouchable character that unloads both damage and abilities


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There's an archetype for the witch from Legacy of the First World that could fit with a succubus really nicely, it's called Seducer.


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wow... that is probably the most amazing archetype I've ever seen xD
I imagine the party kicking down the door to the BBEG's lair, finding the witch there and defending herself with a "I haven't betrayed you, I'm just preparing to fight him tomorrow"


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Acting as an inspiration/ muse sounds like a redeemed succubus to me, so I'd think about bard or skald for flavor reasons.


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Renieken wrote:
There's an archetype for the witch from Legacy of the First World that could fit with a succubus really nicely, it's called Seducer.

Well, I guess it is once again possible to have a Witch who can't spell . . . .


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I feel like Mesmerist is the obvious option for a sneaky magical seductress type

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Yeah, mesmerist would be pretty scary. The Enchanting Courtesan prestige class is also a good goal to strive for - pretty much undetectable spellcasting.


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Tetori Monk

Because someone had to.


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JDLPF wrote:

Tetori Monk

Because someone had to.

~LAUGHTER~


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xD

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I always thought it was interesting that Arushalae could meet nearly all the pre-reqs for the Master Spy prestige class just off the standard Bestiary stats for a Succubus... only had to switch out one feat for Deceitful instead. Thus, that is one obvious way to go. Would work best for an intrigue style campaign.

Alternatively, you could work off the extremely high racial Charisma bonus to create a very powerful Sorcerer, Bard, etc.

Or... take the moderately high Dex and Con values to build a sneaky/agile combat type.

Or... really whatever you are interested in. It is hard to go wrong when you have a 'starting point' that powerful.


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Keiger wrote:

So, my gm has allowed me to play a Redeemed succubus based off of the character Arushalae from the Wrath of the Riteous AP.

Basically, Chaotic Good, energy drain got replaced with a weird breath of life and restoration crossbreed ability that costs a negative level each time it's used, and kept the gift but the bonus is now a sacred bonus instead of profane.
Other than that, still a succubus. I was planning on going rogue/shadowdancer, but I was wondering if there were any other good options y'all might build something like that into.

Bard or Sorcerer would be a very good class for a succubus.


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So is this a Bestiary succubus (with the Breath of Life instead of Energy Drain) that you'll add class levels to? Or is it going to be a custom race around the power level of a tiefling?

If the former, make the most of its baked-in feats (Agile Combatant, Combat Reflexes, Weapon Finesse) and sky-high charisma and make a Dervish Dance bard.

If the latter, how about a swashbuckler? It fits the agile combatant role that your rogue/shadowdancer would, but benefits more from charisma.


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Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

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Meraki wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

Don't forget Bloodrager ^w^


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A Summoner (unchained or otherwise) could use Charisma for spells and certain abilities plus help maintain an "extra-planar" feel. A "party girl" Evangelist of Cayden Cailean could summon extra-planar help too and maybe keep everybody alive with tons of Channel Energy.

Depending on the game a Mysterious Stranger Gunslinger could be fun too. With super high Charisma the Swift Aim + Dead Shot combo could become a pretty impressive signature move. Killing somebody with a single shot from a lady's derringer could be fun, and maybe you could have a special demon slaying double hackbut with a humorous name. Even firing it with a -4 and falling prone afterwards seems like it could be amusing somehow.


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I played a succubus once, she wasn't redeemed though. She was still evil, but she was bound to a Ring of Friend Shield, except it was always on and only worked one way. She was also bound to not harm the wearer of the ring and to generally follow instructions.

I added Fighter and Rogue levels. Decked her out with full plate and a shield and she was pretty much unhittable, and combined with her DR, pretty much unkillable. I also had a conductive rapier to add in Vampiric Touch to her melee attacks for self-healing when necessary (reduced damage output, but was worth it at times).

Basically, I designed the Wizard's perfect bodyguard. Hard to kill, but could dish out some damage. It wasn't exceptional damage, but her ability to occupy a narrow space nearly indefinitely was impressive. Don't underestimate the dip into Fighter (or anything that can wear heavy armor), you don't suffer arcane spell failure with spell-like abilities. You have teleport at will, so you can constantly set up flanking for allies.


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If you are so far along in your transformation to good that you are giving a sacred bonus and no longer profane, and especially that you can inherently restore life, etc, then advancing as a Shadowdancer is rather a Fall. If you are wanting her story to be her temptations and fall back into Evil, a lot of these more nuetral and clever suggestions will get you there. If you are interested in her continued climb towards righteousness, any divine class can get you there. Paladin works in a very in your face Exemplar of Redemption. Cleric would be similar. A Life Oracle might well be the best thematically, as she explores her new path. You could tell a seriously gritty story as an Inquisitor.

Your stats are good enough to be effective at anything, though less so in Martial pursuits. If you really don't care about the story, you will obviously be most effective in Charismatic approaches, but if the Story is a concern to you or the GM, most of the Optimal paths are going to be filled with temptations, and you will be most effective giving in to those temptations.

Life Oracle would likely be the best choice, not knowing your specific table.


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Yes. Sorcerer, Bard, Paladin, and Cleric. Think of all that Channel Positive that the high Charisma can provide.


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My favorite class for a succubus is swashbuckler.

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Succubus synchronizes really nicely with Ninja, especially for self-healing. Swift action invisibility, sneak attack Vampiric Touch, teleporting at will... It makes for a powerful character, depending on exactly how redeemed you want the succubus to be.

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I'll plug the most amazing thing I've ever found here again: mystery cultist of Arshea XD

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Works well with oracle or seducer!


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Rysky wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

Don't forget Bloodrager ^w^

Well, found my next PC. That won't break Rise of the Runelords too badly, right? :D

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Meraki wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

Don't forget Bloodrager ^w^
Well, found my next PC. That won't break Rise of the Runelords too badly, right? :D

Haha well it certainly would if you start a level one game with 8 racial HD XD


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Meraki wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

Don't forget Bloodrager ^w^
Well, found my next PC. That won't break Rise of the Runelords too badly, right? :D

There is actually a succubus boss in RotRLs that has an awesome whip.

But I can think of many other things that will break the game more than a succubus. It's really powerful but it's not like your soloing dungeons


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One thing you have to consider with a non-native Outsider player character is that nothing short of True Resurrection will actually resurrect them which makes them probably the most risky in that regard short of Wyrwoods.


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blashimov wrote:
I'll plug the most amazing thing I've ever found here again: mystery cultist of Arshea XD

Or just anything with the Celestial Obedience: Arshea feat to add CHA to AC by 16th level (which would mean 8 class levels).


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Bard Negotiator it will be fun.


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Louise Bishop wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

Don't forget Bloodrager ^w^
Well, found my next PC. That won't break Rise of the Runelords too badly, right? :D

There is actually a succubus boss in RotRLs that has an awesome whip.

But I can think of many other things that will break the game more than a succubus. It's really powerful but it's not like your soloing dungeons

Giants are humanoid and tend to have low will saves.


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In Serpent Skull I used the AP provided Succubus/Rogue/SpyMaster to great effect. PC's never suspected her or her network were constantly aware of most of there moves. She had charmed minions all over the place.


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Meraki wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

Don't forget Bloodrager ^w^
Well, found my next PC. That won't break Rise of the Runelords too badly, right? :D

Not if you go by average party level. A CR 8 PC and three or four level 1 PCs would give an APL of 2, when rounded down. You can also purchase Pinnacle and Pit from Dreamscarred Press if you want a CR 1 Succubus PC.


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paladin or oracle(heavens mystery) with a dip into crossblooded sorc for undead and impossible bloodlines

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Gunslinger, because it would be fun as frell

Though.....

A cavalier with the feat chain that allows you to get something like a UNICORN as your mount might also be really fun.


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John Napier 698 wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Meraki wrote:
Scott Wilhelm wrote:
What do you call a redeemed Demon? A Re-demon?

In my WoTR game, we actually did just that. xD

Part of me would be tempted to go completely against type and make a barbarian or something, just to see the look on the enemies' faces when the succubus they assume is going to be sneaky and seductive suddenly hulks out on them.

Seconding (thirding?) that a succubus mesmerist would be terrifying, though something involving rogue is probably the natural choice. Or maybe a slayer?

Don't forget Bloodrager ^w^
Well, found my next PC. That won't break Rise of the Runelords too badly, right? :D
Not if you go by average party level. A CR 8 PC and three or four level 1 PCs would give an APL of 2, when rounded down. You can also purchase Pinnacle and Pit from Dreamscarred Press if you want a CR 1 Succubus PC.

I was kidding, but now I'm actually interested in checking out the CR 1 succubus PC. Hmm...

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Paladin with that Charisma would be terrifying.


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Apparently Solarion but it might be a bit longer before that is an option.


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Requisite, and very glad Tetori was mentioned. Well done. XD

On the more likely-to-RP-cleanly scenario: seconding the concept of life oracle. The whole concept of giving breath of life for negative levels actually is pretty solid: she's already quasi-cursed, so it kind of makes sense that she gains more divine power (keying off of her charisma, naturally), and you gain great uses for your charisma from the class.

Looking at curses: the demonic curse seems to make sense, but it's also weakened by more or less being nothing but useless to her, and failing in the face of her redemption; the haunted (the spirits of her former victims), possessed (her former evil nature that she's losing, but is still there), wrecker (the lingering taint of the abyss), wrecking mysticism (because her sacred power actually is harming her body; ignore the kitsune requirement and magical tail feat), the 3rd party Branded (with the sigil of the redeeming goddess; possibly shift the damage type), foretold (makes sense that one redeemed succubus would be famous and/or part of prophecy), forgotten (conversely, the mind of most creatures rejects the thought of a "holy" demon and you just are... forgotten), melancholy (the pain of repenting for an eternity of evil), merciful (for you have received divine mercy), sanguine (due to your liberation all things seem possible), unchained (this is almost literally what just happened), waking dreamer (something about being redeemed through dreams? I'unno) all work to some degree or another.

But there are a lot of awesome options and ideas. :)

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Swashbuckler

Bloodrager

Cleric


Tacticslion wrote:
But there are a lot of awesome options and ideas. :)

"... in this thread." he says, smoothly, in a complete sentence that he definitely didn't accidentally end prematurely when he forget what he'd been writing by being distracted at some ludicrous hour due to probable sleep deprivation, that's for sure.

>.>


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Ascalaphus wrote:
Paladin with that Charisma would be terrifying.

as would an oracle with this ability

Awesome Display (Su): Your phantasmagoric displays accurately model the mysteries of the night sky, dumbfounding all who behold them. Each creature affected by your illusion (pattern) spells is treated as if its total number of Hit Dice were equal to its number of Hit Dice minus your Charisma modifier (if positive).

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