Anyone know if Paizo is planning to remake this as a hardcover?


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Anyone know if Paizo is planning to remake this as a hardcover like Curse of the Crimson Throne? If they are, does anyone know how close we are to getting something like that?

Silver Crusade

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No and no.


well we know that if the stars are right, someday, in the distant future, another hardcover, not unlike RotRL or CotCT, might be possible.

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*looks at Kingmaker and Legacy of Fire* but Paizo will be spoiled for choice as to which one to do next.


Gorbacz wrote:
*looks at Kingmaker and Legacy of Fire* but Paizo will be spoiled for choice as to which one to do next.

Well, Second Darkness is the next 3.5 adventure path on the list right after RotRL and CotCT so I'm guessing Paizo is tackling the 3.5 adventure paths in the order they were released.

Does anyone know how many manuals for Second Darkness have to be sold before Paizo runs out of them completely? Or has that already happened?


Gorbacz wrote:
*looks at Kingmaker and Legacy of Fire*

meh, pass


But would it sell more than Kingmaker.

Silver Crusade

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Berselius wrote:
Gorbacz wrote:
*looks at Kingmaker and Legacy of Fire* but Paizo will be spoiled for choice as to which one to do next.

Well, Second Darkness is the next 3.5 adventure path on the list right after RotRL and CotCT so I'm guessing Paizo is tackling the 3.5 adventure paths in the order they were released.

Does anyone know how many manuals for Second Darkness have to be sold before Paizo runs out of them completely? Or has that already happened?

Paizo didn't run out completely of neither RotRL or CotCT before they did hardcovers. Heck, there still a lot of 3.5 CotCT in Paizo's inventory. I believe that the most important factors in making hardcovers are the expected sales and the ROI - which were likely both big with Rise and Curse due to their critical acclaim and the amount of work needed to be done to update the AP. With SD arguably not being as hot as the first two *and* it requiring far more work (adventure 5 pretty much needs to be re-written from grounds up, if you ask me) I think both Kingmaker and LoF have much higher chances of being the next in line.

Which is not to say that I wouldn't like to see Second Darkness Revised, but I'm not holding my breath for it.

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So I was reading print of first book I have .-. I'm becoming kind of convinced that only way to adapt this right into hardcover would be to split it into two different aps. I mean, feeling of first ap is so different from summaries of four last books. Like, ap about playing as crooks in riddleport and ap about saving Kyonin from drows would work much better than trying to write this so that bait and switch is less worse. I mean, no matter how you would do it, feeling of campaign would change a lot when you travel from Riddleport to Kyonin...

Like considering that summary of fifth book sounds like "lol elves be jerks to heroes", even if you fix that book completely, first two parts sound like they encourage Chaotic axis more than heroic stuff


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Well, certain APs do encourage a slightly more Chaotic parties than others (for example: Skull and Shackles, Hell's Rebels, and Curse of the Crimson Throne). And Second Darkness is on the same list.

The total change in expected genre/tone between SD's books 1-2 and books 3-6 is indeed marked. I remember a few years back, when someone was asking on the forums here for advice on how to run it, I actually did suggest running Books 1-2 with a Riddleport-suitable party, and then changing to a more "let's save the world/be nice to elves!" party for Books 3-6.


As for the likelihood of Paizo producing a revised edition of SD: extremely unlikely in the short term.

As others have touched on up-thread, no parts of it have been sold out yet. Also, due to certain issues, the AP will require more of an overhaul than RotR and CotCT.

However, if SD ever does get revised and compiled, I will most definitely be in line to buy it. The threat in the endgame section is most certainly memorable. Golarion's survival is at stake, not just that of a city, country, region, or continent. As far as I recall, only Reign of Winter, Iron Gods, and Strange Aeons have a similar level of danger. (And maybe Wrath of the Righteous too.)

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