Multiple Banes


Rules Questions


Say I have a Greatsword +1 (Bane [Chaotic Outsiders], Bane [Evil Outsiders]), that I use to strike a demon.
What's my enhancement bonus and how much damage do I do?

In other words, do Bane effects stack?


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RoseCrown wrote:

Say I have a Greatsword +1 (Bane [Chaotic Outsiders], Bane [Evil Outsiders]), that I use to strike a demon.

What's my enhancement bonus and how much damage do I do?

In other words, do Bane effects stack?

No. From the FAQ:

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Bane: Can I apply multiple bane special abilities to the same weapon? If so, do their effects stack?

You can apply multiple bane special abilities to the same weapon. For example, you can have a +1 dragon- and fey-bane longsword, which has an increased enhancement bonus and damage against dragons and against fey.

If you have multiple bane effects on a weapon and attack a creature against which more than one bane applies (such as a chaotic- and evil-outsider bane weapon used against a demon), the effects do not stack: the weapon's enhancement bonus is only +2 higher than its actual enhancement bonus, and it only deals +2d6 points of damage against that opponent.

(Compare to fighter weapon training or ranger favored enemy bonuses, both of which say you use the highest bonus if more than one bonus applies.)


Ah, that was simple then. Not what I wanted, but nice and simple. Thanks for the fast responses.


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However, you could have Bane Evil Outsider and Holy on your weapon.


Claxon wrote:
However, you could have Bane Evil Outsider and Holy on your weapon.

What about combining Holy, Axiomatic and Demon-Bane? (a +6 weapon since it also takes a +1, I know, but for the sake of discussion)

Silver Crusade

Yep.

And you can have up to a +5 Holy Axiomatic Demonbane weapon (+5 modifier, +5 Abilities), if you can afford it.


You can't have demonbane, it's not actually an option.

But yes, replace it with Bane Evil Outsider or Bane Chaotic Outsider and the effect is the same.

Silver Crusade

>_<

Wasn't paying attention :3


Claxon wrote:
You can't have demonbane, it's not actually an option.

Sure it is. Since "demon" is a subtype of "Outsider" you can have an Outsider (demon) bane weapon.


There are actual examples of demon-bane weapons, such as this: crusader's longsword

Silver Crusade

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.


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Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.

Well, if you were a devil, you might not want to create an Outsider (evil) bane weapon for stabbing demons with... just in case someone took it away from you :)

Silver Crusade

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quibblemuch wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.

Well, if you were a devil, you might not want to create an Outsider (evil) bane weapon for stabbing demons with... just in case someone took it away from you :)

*nods*


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quibblemuch wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.

Well, if you were a devil, you might not want to create an Outsider (evil) bane weapon for stabbing demons with... just in case someone took it away from you :)

Hmmm, an asmodean demon hunter with a +1, Axiomatic, Chaotic Outsider Bane weapon... still only +4, but does decent damage against demons.


quibblemuch wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.

Well, if you were a devil, you might not want to create an Outsider (evil) bane weapon for stabbing demons with... just in case someone took it away from you :)

Which is why you would make it a weapon that banes chaotic outsiders, not evil.


Claxon wrote:
quibblemuch wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.

Well, if you were a devil, you might not want to create an Outsider (evil) bane weapon for stabbing demons with... just in case someone took it away from you :)
Which is why you would make it a weapon that banes chaotic outsiders, not evil.

Only if that is what the original contract stipulated.


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Claxon wrote:
quibblemuch wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.

Well, if you were a devil, you might not want to create an Outsider (evil) bane weapon for stabbing demons with... just in case someone took it away from you :)
Which is why you would make it a weapon that banes chaotic outsiders, not evil.

Which works for that Asmodean crowd, but Inevitably, you will have someone who is a demon-hater that neither wants to make too many enemies among the Devils nor the Azata. People can be very specific about who they hate, even if this is sub-optimal to some.


Daw wrote:
Claxon wrote:
quibblemuch wrote:
Rysky wrote:

Ooooo!

Well it makes sense, since it's still a subtype, you'd just be limiting yourself in your targets.

Well, if you were a devil, you might not want to create an Outsider (evil) bane weapon for stabbing demons with... just in case someone took it away from you :)
Which is why you would make it a weapon that banes chaotic outsiders, not evil.
Which works for that Asmodean crowd, but Inevitably, you will have someone who is a demon-hater that neither wants to make too many enemies among the Devils nor the Azata. People can be very specific about who they hate, even if this is sub-optimal to some.

If you're acting Inevitably, then Chaotic Outsiders are exactly what you'd bane.


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You know who likes making Demon Bane weapons? Qlippoth Lord cults.


Keep Calm and Carrion wrote:
You know who likes making Demon Bane weapons? Qlippoth Lord cults.

Good point! :)


Actually, come to think of it.
Outsider(Native) Bane, that should be legal, right?


RoseCrown wrote:

Actually, come to think of it.

Outsider(Native) Bane, that should be legal, right?

Yup, Native is a subtype of Outsider, that's perfectly fine.


Well, that should please the guy who always plays Aasimars :)

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