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Sure, this AP doesn't come out until next year. Sure, we only have a bit of information to go on. But a little bit of wild speculation never hurt anyone.
I'm planning on creating a paladin- a classic knight in shining armor, a man who harkened back to the better days of Taldor at the hight of his glory. A loyal citizen of his empire wanting to do his part to ensure someone worthy of the throne becomes his fair nations new ruler.
There's just one, tiny little problem- he's a closet Sarenrae Worshiper, which is of course highly illegal in Taldor due to Qadira being awful. He's got no love of the cult of the Dawnflower or Qadira though.
Ultimately, he hopes that the new ruler will be a bit more tolerant of Sarenrae's worship once she becomes Queen.
I'm debating if he's going to be half Qadiran or not. Mechanically, I think I'll go for he shining knight route, or maybe the Legste archetype. Perhaps both.
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Not anymore. Recent canon from campaign books says that the Taldan Grand Prince repealed by the ban on Sarenite worship. But if your really in love with the concept (which sounds really cool by the way) I say ignore that.
Personally, I thinking about making a vigilante that's basically Catwoman meets Zorro. She's probably going to be a big Cayden Cailean worshiper and fangirl too.
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Not anymore. Recent canon from campaign books says that the Taldan Grand Prince repealed by the ban on Sarenite worship. But if your really in love with the concept (which sounds really cool by the way) I say ignore that.
Personally, I thinking about making a vigilante that's basically Catwoman meets Zorro. She's probably going to be a big Cayden Cailean worshiper and fangirl too.
Well, that is incredibly disappointing. I will try to be ignoring that when the campaign comes out if I can convince the DM to roll with that.
If not... well then, back to the drawing board.
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All of the bards.
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While the legality of Sarenrae has changed, I think there is still a lot of prejudice. This will probably be more likely the closer you are to the boarder. I can also see it as more entrenched in the upper classes.
This could still have your character hiding his allegiance from family and all his peers. It could still be a secret with all the roleplaying it can create.
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Well...
Gnome mesmerist (fey trickster; VMC summoner) with Warden of Nature and the Fey Spell Versatility feat (add hideous laughter, heroism, control summoned creature, and greater oneric horror to spell list); basically, a spokesperson for the Verduran Wood/Whispil; wants to "liven up" the "stuffy" Taldor and promote a more eco-/fey-friendly nation.
Human (Taldan/Ulfen) skald (battle scion); still debating on whether or not to pursue Nature Soul/Animal Ally for a cataphract (mounted archery/combat), possibly going for a level or two in mammoth rider and a war elephant, or stick with a more standard approach.
Human (Taldan) swashbuckler (inspired blade, noble fencer) with Silver Tongued and the Fencing Grace and Fox Style feats; planning on switching to vigilante (warlock) at 2nd level ("The Night Fox").
Tengu occultist with Glide and the Extra Mental Focus feat; probably going to occultist 2 to pick up the Trappings of the Warrior panoply (buckler and falcata; "Raven Targe"/Abjuration and "Crow's Beak"/Transmutation), then switching to wizard (sword binder) 8/eldritch knight.
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An all-vigilante party could possibly be fun for this AP, too (avenger, stalker, warlock, and zealot to fill in for fighter, rogue, wizard, and cleric). Working in their "alter-egos" to bring about change.
Oh damn, this is gonna be fun! In no particular order...
-Patriotic mesmerist who grew up as a servant of the Princess and is fiercely loyal to her.
-Not-so-nice brawler who got to know the Princess in the "Taldan Olympics." Starts out loyal to the Princess's coin, but comes to respect her as a competent leader who knows how to run Taldor.
-Devout Abadaran with a keen mind for economics. Wants to avoid the civil war and maintain the power of the crown because they see it as the best way to keep the economy running for the common folk. However, instead of being a cleric they are a geokineticist who primarily uses coins in combat, attacking his enemies with his wealth.
-Summoner of a disgraced noble bloodline that is patronized by the Princess. Eidolon is a sort of castle-golem, modeled after his family's crest (or maybe a stone woman with snakes for hair?)
-Medium who channels the spirits of dead kings (a trickster king, a wizard king, a warrior king, etc.). A distant cousin of the Princess who grew up in court along side her and is now a close friend (maybe more?).
-Rogue (or maybe monk or vigilane?) who works for a gold dragon with an interest in Taldor. The dragon is subtly helping the Princess, but not too much because if she can't take the throne its unlikely she could keep the throne. Rogue is stationed as a servant to the Princess and hides his allegiance from everyone, but not the Princess herself.
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A fat, nearsighted, middle-aged civil servant.
Who will be either a Phantom Thief, some species of Investigator, or some species of Mesmerist.
And he'll talk like this.
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I'm thinking about making a character who works for the Hellknight order of the Scar- a group of bodyguards and assassin hunters who operate in Taldor. For some reason, I think a character who focuses on foiling assassins should have a useful role in intrigue campaigns.
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An Ulfen Guard aspirant could be fun. A young barbarian (or bloodrager, maybe) from the Lands of the Linnorm Kings, hoping to become one of the Princess's trusted cadre of bodyguards one day. Or at least get rich.
I'll GM this or ransack it for my homebrewn. I'd love to play a Vigilante if I ever could.
I have to figure out a reason why Vudran demons have infiltrated Taldor's court...
For fun?
Got pushed out by other Rakshasas back home and are looking for a suitably weak society to burrow into?
Not anymore. Recent canon from campaign books says that the Taldan Grand Prince repealed by the ban on Sarenite worship. But if your really in love with the concept (which sounds really cool by the way) I say ignore that.
Personally, I thinking about making a vigilante that's basically Catwoman meets Zorro. She's probably going to be a big Cayden Cailean worshiper and fangirl too.
Well, that is incredibly disappointing. I will try to be ignoring that when the campaign comes out if I can convince the DM to roll with that.
If not... well then, back to the drawing board.
Don't despair, maybe there is a Paladin archetype that gives Vigilante class abilities (so you can be a worship the sun goddess in secret). :D
Our party:
A male angel–blooded aasimar (angelkin) paladin (sword of valor)
A female ekujae half–elf (wildborn) arcanist (magaambyan initiate)
A female dwarf cleric
A male dwarf fighter
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I'm thinking about a seducer witch with a backstory as a courtesan who becomes a spymaster. Just having trouble with a few things about him. Like whether to pick the enchantment patron or trickery patron. I also want to multiclass into the Enchanting Courtesan prestige class.
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The odds of me ever getting to play this are slim, but (in order of how much thought I put into it):
- half-orc city-bred pact wizard, teleportation school/portents patron. He just wants to be left alone to study and has no interest in politics or adventuring until events force him to act simply to avoid even worse interference or distraction. It takes a while, but once he actually comes to believe in the cause, watch out!
- halfling swashbuckler (mouser) from Cassomir, modeled off of one of my PFS characters. Son of a Caydenite priest/innkeeper and grandson of escaped Chelaxian slaves, he fights for glory and to convince the Princess to outlaw slavery once she takes the throne.
- half-orc warpriest of Cayden
- some kind of bard?
Well rogue is a good start to being Maxwell Smart.
My group has started planning characters for this, and apparently it has spawned an argument I wasn't aware of until today. Two of the players have created characters with Occult classes (Psychic Detective and Mesmerist). Their background, which is only in outline form so far, involves both being from noble families in Oppara. They are both middle children and they want their families to have sent them to Radripal for education and having them return as the AP starts. This was the only Vudran city they could find information on apparently. It is indeed cited as a place of learning for both occult and magic students. The pair of players are working from historic tendencies for royal families in the middle ages to send children abroad for study or whatnot. The other two players seem to be pretty adamant against there being any possibility of this from a Taldor standpoint, particularly since the city is supposedly ruled by Rakshasas.
To be honest, I'm not overly familiar with Taldor and even less so with Vudra. I don't immediately see any reason to push back on the background, but the other players seem pretty certain that this would not be something a Taldorian family would do. I know this is kind of a grey area, in that Paizo hasn't really revealed a whole lot about Vudra or their intractions with other nearby countries. I'm limited mostly to Player Companions and Campaign Setting books. Any thoughts from those out there that may have read more material than me?
The amusing part to me is, everyone played Occult characters in Strange Aeons and no one bothered to create any back story at all explaining where/how they were trained. Now suddenly someone tries to do that, and it's an issue about where Occult characters come from. <shrug> I told them to wait for the Player's Guide, but that didn't seem to mollify anyone.
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It looks like a group conversation-- out of game, maybe at a Starbucks -- is in order. You can all get a feel for how strongly individual players view the situation. .... I don't see this as a 'what does the published material indicate' issue. The published material is not often going to have these specific examples. It's going to be the purview of the DM with maybe some input from the players.
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Sure, this AP doesn't come out until next year. Sure, we only have a bit of information to go on. But a little bit of wild speculation never hurt anyone.
I'm planning on creating a paladin- a classic knight in shining armor, a man who harkened back to the better days of Taldor at the hight of his glory. A loyal citizen of his empire wanting to do his part to ensure someone worthy of the throne becomes his fair nations new ruler.
There's just one, tiny little problem- he's a closet Sarenrae Worshiper, which is of course highly illegal in Taldor due to Qadira being awful. He's got no love of the cult of the Dawnflower or Qadira though.
Ultimately, he hopes that the new ruler will be a bit more tolerant of Sarenrae's worship once she becomes Queen.
I'm debating if he's going to be half Qadiran or not. Mechanically, I think I'll go for he shining knight route, or maybe the Legste archetype. Perhaps both.
I wanna play something like this too, though I'm debating about having him be a Taldan who grew up in Qadira where he was a slave as a child, trained in the arts of war and inducted into Sarenrae's faith before being freed, similar to the Mamluks of Egypt or the Jannisaries of the Ottoman Empire. Unfortunately, unlike most such soldiers, he wasn't more loyal to the Empire than he was to his faith, and so he returned to the land of his birth to pursue Sarenrae's will on his own.
I'm uncertain as to whether that's in good taste, though, as while Qadira has slavery in it, I don't think anywhere in the text states they have practices similar to the Mamluks and Jannisaries of slaves being trained to serve as elite corps of soldiers, especially since Persia is Qadira's primary inspiration, not the various Caliphates or the Ottoman Empire.
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Sure, this AP doesn't come out until next year. Sure, we only have a bit of information to go on. But a little bit of wild speculation never hurt anyone.
I'm planning on creating a paladin- a classic knight in shining armor, a man who harkened back to the better days of Taldor at the hight of his glory. A loyal citizen of his empire wanting to do his part to ensure someone worthy of the throne becomes his fair nations new ruler.
There's just one, tiny little problem- he's a closet Sarenrae Worshiper, which is of course highly illegal in Taldor due to Qadira being awful. He's got no love of the cult of the Dawnflower or Qadira though.
Ultimately, he hopes that the new ruler will be a bit more tolerant of Sarenrae's worship once she becomes Queen.
I'm debating if he's going to be half Qadiran or not. Mechanically, I think I'll go for he shining knight route, or maybe the Legste archetype. Perhaps both.
I wanna play something like this too, though I'm debating about having him be a Taldan who grew up in Qadira where he was a slave as a child, trained in the arts of war and inducted into Sarenrae's faith before being freed, similar to the Mamluks of Egypt or the Jannisaries of the Ottoman Empire. Unfortunately, unlike most such soldiers, he wasn't more loyal to the Empire than he was to his faith, and so he returned to the land of his birth to pursue Sarenrae's will on his own.
I'm uncertain as to whether that's in good taste, though, as while Qadira has slavery in it, I don't think anywhere in the text states they have practices similar to the Mamluks and Jannisaries of slaves being trained to serve as elite corps of soldiers, especially since Persia is Qadira's primary inspiration, not the various Caliphates or the Ottoman Empire.
no reason why it might not be a local practice, or that of some enterprising emir on the border.
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I think a Half Elf (for that sweet FCB) Investigator (Psychic Detective) would be pretty amazing in this one from the sounds of it.
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I've actually already started work on a character: Vira Taengar! She is a Fanglord Skinwalker, with family ties to both Qadira and Sarenrae worship. In her backstory, she studied at the Rhapsodic College in Oppara and was actually recruited to the Shadow College beneath it in order to join the Lion Blades, only for her superiors to discover her background and arrest her family. She'll start the game with a very strained relationship with the state, and have a few personal enemies in the Lion Blades in particular.
Mechanically, she's going to be a bardic Dervish of Dawn, emphasizing her role as a primary damage dealer. I'll probably only end up playing her if the group I'm in is lighter on other melee combatants, as Bards can get overshadowed in that role fairly easily.
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This AP looks like it might actually be a setting that would let me play a Secret Broker without it feeling utterly under-powered. If I do get the opportunity to play this one, I'll be rolling up one for sure!
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If all goes well I'll be DMing this one as a sequel to our current RoW campaign.
Remember, book 1 of RoW started in Taldor.
All I gave the players info wise was to make characters who were serving in the retinue of one Lady Argentea Malassene - a minor princess of the realm - and that they'd be attending the annual "Celebration of Ascension" (or whatever I called it - where the prince elevates people into the nobility)in Oppara.
A session or two of court intrigue, a session of travel back home afterwards, & then the real fun begins as their entourage gets caught in a blizzard(!)& ambushed by evil fey....
The gave me a trio of House Malassene knights (one cavalier, one paladin, & one 3.5 war-mage, all human) & a 1/2 elf druid (who was serving as the houses animal master). All loyal natives of Taldor & all with ties to the nobility.
They've been off jaunting about reality in the Dancing Hut trying to stop a new ice age for awhile now.
By the time they make it back home (based on the speed we play) 3-4 volumes of this AP should be out. :)
"Oh, look what's been happening while you were away...."
Of course I'm going to have to re-work some of it to account for the characters being 14th lv or so.
I think i'll make a Kingmaker character and just try to steer the party into anything resembling wilderness for some good mapmaking fun.
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I'll be piloting a Silksworn Occultist, as an opportunistic, if otherwise lazy nobleman with more wit and talent than he has the good sense to put to use. The events of the AP sound like a good chance to make a fortune, earn the good graces of the new rulership and have a bit of fun spurring the empire into actually doing something.
Loosely based on Sebariel, for those who read the Stormlight Chronicles.
Plan is to get leadership at 7 to hire a body double and keep his own profile low around those not in the know.
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An all-vigilante party could possibly be fun for this AP, too (avenger, stalker, warlock, and zealot to fill in for fighter, rogue, wizard, and cleric). Working in their "alter-egos" to bring about change.
That honestly sounds like a truly epic idea.
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Rolled up a character during the lunch break today using the Ultimate Campaign background generator.
Came up with a Human Magus, who I filled in as having a commoner mother who was kind of tossed out by her noble paramour. He's mostly self-taught, and got himself mixed up with the sort of swaggering noble-aligned gangs that fill the streets of Oppara (kinda like the boys in Romeo & Juliet).
He's someone who attaches himself passionately to causes and people however petty, and he'll join up to the princess' crusade in the same way.
Well, a lion blade...
*cough*
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A half elf, bastard daughter of a Kyonin diplomat and a Taldan noblewoman. She was dumped at a hunting lodge in the Veradun forest with the hope that she would be quietly forgotten. Instead the fey decided to meddle. Whimsy Oracle or Feyspeaker Druid.
A half elf, bastard daughter of a Kyonin diplomat and a Taldan noblewoman. Taken out of the way and trained as a swashbuckler in by a shifty noble for their own purposes. Swashbuckler.
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How 'bout a bastard, orphan son of a whore and a Galtsman, dropped in the middle of a spot in the Inner Sea by providence impoverished, in squalor, grown up to be a hero and a scholar?
XD
His name is ALEXANDER HAMI-, er, ALEXORI HOMYLLDEM*~!
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XD
His name is
ALEXANDER HAMI-, er, ALEXORI HOMYLLDEM*~!*
HE IS THE A-L, E-X, O-R, I. He's here! No fear! Taldor thrives/a colony that's run independently/Run by Boun-tiful Venture Company/Essentially, they'll learn ancient Azlanti/Then come back with a bunch of ioun treasures, see?/They'll cause a mess with their newfound technology/So there will be a revolution in this next AP/Enter me!
(He says, in parentheses)
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Thinking about a young servant to the Queen. Leaning toward vigilante but I might eventually try for the Lion Blade prestige class which would rule vigilante out I think.
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Wealthy gadabout Chilton Gaines.
Thinking about a young servant to the Queen. Leaning toward vigilante but I might eventually try for the Lion Blade prestige class which would rule vigilante out I think.
Hm. 'Dem prerequisites. They've always been an obnoxious part of the class.
Basically, it's just inspire competence and sneak attack +2d6, yeah? Everything else is pretty perfect.
So let's see what we can do!
Well, you could ask your GM if hidden strike counts as sneak attack (which it already does for Rogue Talents; this, then requires third level vigilante to equate - so maybe require the Rogue Talent focused on SA as one vigilante talent choice to "count"); the "inspire competence" isn't really possible from the vigilante (though there are a few skill-based things, and the instant plan vigilante talent), so that'll either require dipping three levels or some sort of compromise with the GM.
Still, a three-level dip (while harsh) may be more palatable than the - ugh - six levels otherwise.
Were I the GM, I'd be more than okay with working with you to make a six-level entry into the PrC using "close enough" from a class that (strange prerequisites aside) is almost tailor-made for the thing.
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Thinking about a young servant to the Queen. Leaning toward vigilante but I might eventually try for the Lion Blade prestige class which would rule vigilante out I think.Hm. 'Dem prerequisites. They've always been an obnoxious part of the class.
Basically, it's just inspire competence and sneak attack +2d6, yeah? Everything else is pretty perfect.
So let's see what we can do!
Well, you could ask your GM if hidden strike counts as sneak attack (which it already does for Rogue Talents; this, then requires third level vigilante to equate - so maybe require the Rogue Talent focused on SA as one vigilante talent choice to "count"); the "inspire competence" isn't really possible from the vigilante (though there are a few skill-based things, and the instant plan vigilante talent), so that'll either require dipping three levels or some sort of compromise with the GM.
Still, a three-level dip (while harsh) may be more palatable than the - ugh - six levels otherwise.
Were I the GM, I'd be more than okay with working with you to make a six-level entry into the PrC using "close enough" from a class that (strange prerequisites aside) is almost tailor-made for the thing.
Using the Varient Multiclass rules, you can take the same route and gain Inspire Competence as a 7th-level Vigilante VMC Bard :)
@Dudemeister: I believe the Serial Killer Vigilante archetype specifically states that Surprise Strike counts as Sneak Attack for meeting prerequisites, implying that the standard Vigilante's Surprise Strike does not. Really, though, i feel you'd need a very stern GM to disallow that.
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Thinking about a young servant to the Queen. Leaning toward vigilante but I might eventually try for the Lion Blade prestige class which would rule vigilante out I think.Hm. 'Dem prerequisites. They've always been an obnoxious part of the class.
Basically, it's just inspire competence and sneak attack +2d6, yeah? Everything else is pretty perfect.
So let's see what we can do!
Well, you could ask your GM if hidden strike counts as sneak attack (which it already does for Rogue Talents; this, then requires third level vigilante to equate - so maybe require the Rogue Talent focused on SA as one vigilante talent choice to "count"); the "inspire competence" isn't really possible from the vigilante (though there are a few skill-based things, and the instant plan vigilante talent), so that'll either require dipping three levels or some sort of compromise with the GM.
Still, a three-level dip (while harsh) may be more palatable than the - ugh - six levels otherwise.
Were I the GM, I'd be more than okay with working with you to make a six-level entry into the PrC using "close enough" from a class that (strange prerequisites aside) is almost tailor-made for the thing.
Using the Varient Multiclass rules, you can take the same route and gain Inspire Competence as a 7th-level Vigilante VMC Bard :)
@Dudemeister: I believe the Serial Killer Vigilante archetype specifically states that Surprise Strike counts as Sneak Attack for meeting prerequisites, implying that the standard Vigilante's Surprise Strike does not. Really, though, i feel you'd need a very stern GM to disallow that.
Ahhh, that's probably where I read it, and it stuck in my brain as being the rule, rather than the exception.
I'd probably allow it in my games anyway.
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Human, LN, Arcane Bloodline Sorcerer 1
Initiative: +1 ,Senses: Perception +1
AC: 11 Touch: 11 Flat: 10
HP 11 (HD: 1d6+5 )
Fortitude +2 Reflex +1 Will +3
Melee: Cane [MWK Club] +1 (1d6, bludgeoning)
Str 11 Dex 13 Con 14 Int 14 Wis 12 Cha 15
Bab +0 CMB +0 CMD 11
Feats
Eschew Materials, Noble Scion [Scion of Lore], Toughness
Skills
Diplomacy 1r (+7), Knowledge[Arcana] 1r (+7), Knowledge [History] 1r (+7),
Knowledge [Nobility] 1r (+9), Spellcraft 1r (+6), Use Magic Device 1r (+6)
Bonuses: +1 to Cha-Related skills when dealing with Taldorian Nobles
Traits
Ease Of Faith (Faith)
Rich Parents (Social)
Taldorion Noble (ALT. idea Campaign trait -PAP: HV)
(Drawback) Family Ties
Equipment
Noble Outfit, Signet Ring, Cane (MWK Club), Arcane Bond [Amulet]
Spells
O lvl: Detect Magic, Acid Splash, Light, Prestidigitation
1 Lvl: Mage Armor, Summon Monster
History
Nicholas was born within the house of Merrosett, Famous for it's prestigious and powerful wizard knight's, so power in fact, that it became part of the blood itself within Nicholas, or so spoke the House on such a matter. Thus Began the life Nicholas within the realm of Nobility. Parties, Gossip and casting the occasional spell that showed even young children in House Merrosett where not to be trifled with.
As years went by his studies continued, He kept hoping he might be allowed out on a grand adventure or quest, but he was far too precious to let go out an adventure to the family, and no matter how much he hoped to be able to go on one someday, Oppara was his home and to him a gilded prison.
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I see this character starting off as a wishful fomp style character that get's pulled into the war for the crown and early on might be excited by it, then as it wears on starts to really find himself as a 'real' noble for the people. Should he survive that long that is XD.