Not allowed to play at a store venue


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Today, Saturday, June 10 2017, I went to a store, Adventure Game Store, in David Florida. When I got there I saw and talked to the GM about playing the session that was being run He expressed there was 2 tables and approx 10 player so there would be room for me. When the bulk of the players showed up, the loval Venture-Captain, his wife and stedaughter, another Man and his sone, a 3rd man also showed and said his wife wasn't going to make it. The VC, Ralph Taramona, ttold me there was only going to be a single table and it was reserved for 7 players and I was kicked from playing the module. Is this fair and legal for him to do? I though it was a first come first serve procedure or at least break the tables into 2 smaller tables so everyone could play. And yes there was plenty of space for 2 or cramped 3 tables today. I feel slighted after driving 24 miles to the game to get kicked like this.
Thanks for your help and understanding on this.

Liberty's Edge 3/5

Flagged to be moved to the PFS forum - the customer serive folks probably can't help you here.

Sometimes tables don't happen; it sucks when it happens, but such is the state of pick-up gaming. It's likely that although you were there before other players, the seven that participated had signed up online before you. I'd reach out to the VC and see about getting priority for the next scenario they run. I'm sure he or she would be happy to accomodate.


Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

Im a regular at our local group. During our 2-6 session, there were supposed to be two tables. When we got there however, it turned out that there werent enough players for a second table and the first one was full. My son and I got bumped. It happens. You might talk to the VC about letting you GM so that there can be two tables running.

Scarab Sages

Find out if there is a warhorn page for the group. The slots were likely filled online before the game. It sucks that you were not able to play, but a little pre-planning might have saved you the spot or saved you the trip.

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵

Yeah they can do that. There SHOULD be a plan B, but sometimes tables collapse and you don't have a second DM. Sorry man.

Very likely they were running a higher level adventure where it's hard or impossible for the new guy to play.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starfinder Superscriber

Only having to drive 24 miles would be a nice decrease....

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵

Rock game shop and Hey wana play also seem to have games. But i wouldn't be too discouraged by a one off thing.

1/5

According to what is here, two tables were scheduled. There were enough people to form two tables, even without using pregens. So unless one of the people who failed to show was a GM it is bad form to send someone home like that.

The Exchange 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Belafon

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All:

If we can stop saying this was bad/good with incomplete information that will probably be helpful.

Bear Gray, if you are still following this thread you can contact Rafael Taramona via e-mail at Morganwolf.RT@gmail.com. He can explain exactly what happened that day and why he was unable to find a seat for you at the table.

If you are still unsatisfied with the way things worked out contact Del Collins, the Regional Venture Coordinator for the Southeast, delcollinsii@s-c-a-r-a-b.com and he can look into the matter further.

Silver Crusade 5/5 ⦵⦵ Venture-Captain, Germany—Bavaria

Bear Gray wrote:

Today, Saturday, June 10 2017, I went to a store, Adventure Game Store, in David Florida. When I got there I saw and talked to the GM about playing the session that was being run He expressed there was 2 tables and approx 10 player so there would be room for me. When the bulk of the players showed up, the loval Venture-Captain, his wife and stedaughter, another Man and his sone, a 3rd man also showed and said his wife wasn't going to make it. The VC, Ralph Taramona, ttold me there was only going to be a single table and it was reserved for 7 players and I was kicked from playing the module. Is this fair and legal for him to do? I though it was a first come first serve procedure or at least break the tables into 2 smaller tables so everyone could play. And yes there was plenty of space for 2 or cramped 3 tables today. I feel slighted after driving 24 miles to the game to get kicked like this.

Thanks for your help and understanding on this.

Several points:

-Without knowing the background and how that store deal with player registration it is really hard to comment.

-Ideally, with 4 players there could have likely been two tables, but depending on several factors (like the GM prepping for a particular subtier/number of players) the 2 table solution might not have been viable.

- If they lost a GM, it sucks, but there are scenarios you can absolutely not run cold (if there even was someone willing and capable to GM).

- Even 7 player tables really should only happen in extreme situations, 8 is just not an option.

- My suggestion would to contact the store contact/the regional VC, explain the situation and ask with registration method they use for that location. At its core, this seems to be an issue of unfortunate misscomunication.

Dark Archive 4/5

There is background not stated. Yes I do know. No I won't share. Dirty laundry and all.


I feel it is in bad taste to ever send someone home. When I organize events I will never send someone home. I have bribed another DM to come with lunch, I convince a player to DM for the first time as I sat behind him and shadowed him the whole time, and many other things.

I honestly feel sending someone home is a cardinal sin. I do not know what your organizer did to try and make tables happen, but it is a shame you left feelign that way. I feel something was missed if you left feeling cheated.

The Exchange 5/5 Venture-Agent, Kentucky—Lexington

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I also do everything I can to not send someone home, I’ll splinter off and run a module. I’ll run it cold if that’s the only way to get a second table going.

That being said, if a player is creating problems by their play style (cheating, creeping people, smell, or otherwise detracting from others fun) I’ll be up front with the player. If they can’t change behavior the only option is banning them from the store.

Silver Crusade 5/5

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Finlanderboy wrote:

I feel it is in bad taste to ever send someone home. When I organize events I will never send someone home. I have bribed another DM to come with lunch, I convince a player to DM for the first time as I sat behind him and shadowed him the whole time, and many other things.

I honestly feel sending someone home is a cardinal sin. I do not know what your organizer did to try and make tables happen, but it is a shame you left feelign that way. I feel something was missed if you left feeling cheated.

I'm pretty sure that just about ALL organizers try REALLY REALLY hard not to send somebody home. I know that I do. And nearly always succeed.

But sometimes it happens, usually because there just aren't two GMs available but sometimes for other reasons.

We can beg, we can shame, we can plead. But, ultimately, there is only so much that we can do.


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Paul Jackson wrote:


I'm pretty sure that just about ALL organizers try REALLY REALLY hard not to send somebody home. I know that I do. And nearly always succeed.

I disagree. Some do not think about it and just send people home. I have seen one send 2 people home instead of splitting their 6 player table when I volunteered to be the second DM. I spoke with my local VL about it at the time and the organizer apologized. I have seen countless organizers first suggestion is to send people home, and if I am there I make a stink about that.

Shadow Lodge

I agree that there seems to be incomplete information but there are defiantly some things to consider

I'm kinda surprised that they didn't go with 1st come 1st serve but like has been stated there may have been some extenuating circumstances

but on the flip side 8 players and a GM is very doable ... you break into tables of 3 and 4 with 2 GM's and a a pregen at one table - I know that when I coordinated with and ended up with 8 players and a GM this is what we did and this is something that the VC in attendance should have thought of

but on that note it is very possible that none of those players wanted to GM - or noone had anything prepped (even though there are always evergreens)

again without complete information its hard to make a judgment

Scarab Sages 5/5

Wraith235 wrote:

I'm kinda surprised that they didn't go with 1st come 1st serve but like has been stated there may have been some extenuating circumstances.

Depending on what method that local region uses to organize, first come may have been decided well in advance as people RSVPd on Meet up, Warhorn, Facebook or some other method.

Grand Lodge 4/5 Regional Venture-Coordinator, Great Lakes aka TwilightKnight

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I think the point is, we are not going to get all the details necessary to actually formulate an informed opinion and honestly that's not what the OP needs. He needs local leadership up to and including the RVC to investigate the situation, separate fact from fiction, opinion from reality and take actions that are best for their specific circumstances moving forward. Any commentary we do here is speculation at best, accusatory and/or harmful at worst.

Grand Lodge 5/5 Venture-Agent, Rhode Island—Lincoln aka Upaynao

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So, at this point perhaps a thread lock would be in the best general interest?

Silver Crusade 5/5

Finlanderboy wrote:
Paul Jackson wrote:


I'm pretty sure that just about ALL organizers try REALLY REALLY hard not to send somebody home. I know that I do. And nearly always succeed.

I disagree. Some do not think about it and just send people home. I have seen one send 2 people home instead of splitting their 6 player table when I volunteered to be the second DM. I spoke with my local VL about it at the time and the organizer apologized. I have seen countless organizers first suggestion is to send people home, and if I am there I make a stink about that.

Wow. That is a HUGE difference in our local cultures.

Because the interweb is what it is, I'll explicitly state the I believe you that the situation there is as you describe even though it is so VERY different from the local scene.

I'd like to hope that your region is the outlier. Peoples posts on the boards strongly tend to imply that it is.


Paul Jackson wrote:

Wow. That is a HUGE difference in our local cultures.

I do not know if you ever saw this, but I have plenty of times. That blank look of people that know that someone will have to get sent home. They all want to play and are excited to, but they do not want to be the jerk to exclude someone else. So they sit silent and continue setting up the game as if they were playing so they do not get sent home. Now often this gets broken by someone offering to sit out, break up tables, but sometimes someones believes someone has to go and becomes exclusive so they can keep the game they wanted to play. Maybe you are the hero enough to prevent that(evil only exists where good people do nothing). I can be a touch too aggressive against the people that suggestion exclusion.

I am not saying my area is mean and exclusive, but something different. I want to say lazy, unsympathetic, or whatever I am not sure the exact word. Ignorant of others I guess.

When I read Bear gray post it screams that bear gray had a similar situation. That everyone was playing go ready play and started leaving Bear gray out.

Bear obviously did not understand why they did not get to play. That is definitely an issue. There is no speculating that. No one sent home should be left wondering why they did not get to play. I know a local VO will/has spoken with him. This is an opportunity to make up for a misunderstanding and build a great friendship.

Dark Archive 4/5

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