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All of Wakanda was, well, fantastic. In the Infinity Wars preview I don't think it's a coincidence that we see Thanos land there when he decides to invade Earth (or to finish the Avengers who have sought shelter there, whichever will apply)

Break Wakanda = break Earth.

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thejeff wrote:
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That bit in the third bullet point in your spoiler was the first time it kind of took me out of the movie as well.

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"Shove this bead from your bracelet that you use as a comms device into his spine! It's vibranium, it totally will keep him alive!" I was like, what, is vibranium the new leeches, the go-to remedy for anything, "Eat two of these and call me in the morning!"

Still, awesome movie, and, as you said, a minor quibble.


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thejeff wrote:
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That bit in the third bullet point in your spoiler was the first time it kind of took me out of the movie as well. ** spoiler omitted **

Still, awesome movie, and, as you said, a minor quibble.

It didn't hit me until afterwards, but the

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vibranium gadget you drop on random cars to get remote control of them was a bit ridiculous too. How the hell does that even pretend to work?

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The same way gamma rays make you a big green rage monster instead of a lump of cancer.

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Wakanda has consistently been depicted in comics as roughly 100 years ahead of the rest of the world as far as technological advancement. Partially as a result of the prevalence of Vibranium, partially as a result of being the oldest, unconquered civilization on Earth.

So I'm 100% comfortable with the advanced tech in Wakanda, because it is a superpower. In the same way Iron Man's flying suit is, and Spider-Man's webshooters are. These aren't things that don't work as we see on screen, but we just trust that the characters have figured out advanced science we haven't.

Also Shuri is the smartest person on Earth. That's why she gets the best jokes :P


I suspect that either there are different beads for different purposes (they're handed out for specific uses), and she may have had an assortment of them on her bracelet. Though seeing separate beads sorted, or having someone almost use the wrong one for something would have been a good explanation as to their broader use. It's a common problem, having a "magic/technological" solution and not explaining it well in a movie.

Also, a reference to a bigger institution of learning and study, of which the lead tech expert was a graduate. Just a nod to the broader civilization on which she was improving, but was already highly advanced.

They could have also dropped a bigger hint at how advanced Wakanda was in the museum. When the "expert" dates the artifact, have a comment on how it's actually much older, and the expert being incredulous because it would have been vastly ahead of European technology of the same era.


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Or how a captive scientist in a cave supplied by terrorists can hook Tony Stark's heart to a car battery to keep him alive....

... or how a self-contained energy source somehow translates into HYDRA having functional energy weapons in the 1940s but nobody else (except the Wakandans) figures it out on that scale until the 2010s- and in SHIELD's case, they just straight-up ripped off HYDRA tech.

... or how a Quinjet was able to survive crashlanding on an alien world in a functional manner.

... or how the hell a Helicarrier works...

... or how Hank Pym developed technology that allows for physics-breaking size-changing sometime prior to the 1980s.

As the boys on the Satellite of Love would say, "Repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax."

Now, as to something I'm long since sick of in most respects, but forgive in this movie...

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The whole "same powers" thing, when the whole point is that the ruler of Wakanda has the mantle of the Black Panther makes it stick in my craw a lot less- this was more like Stane ripping off Tony's armor tech in the first Iron Man.

The thing is, in most plot and general script senses, this flick broke no new ground- but the execution was phenomenal.

Things Marvel Almost Always Does In Its Movies That Black Panther Handled Better Than Usual"

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  • Humor- it was there, but felt organic, rather than some scriptwriter trying to prove how funny they are.
  • Dixie Cup Villains- While this movie used up both Klaue and Killmonger, I found it hard to mind... I could have used more Killmonger, but as I stated previously, his choosing death on his own terms makes it sting less... and while I like Klaue, he was basically used up by the time Killmonger shot him. Killmonger's character had nowhere to go but down (or a lame tacked-on, face turn.
  • "Hero is riding high, hero loses, hero gets over it, hero triumphs" Never mind Marvel, this is almost every action story that doesn't start with the hero at rock-bottom... but in this case, T'Challa's loss wasn't simply followed by him discovering the power of friendship- he was saved because the Jabari respected his efforts to spare M'Baku for the good of their tribe. He was brought back by the source of his superpowers, brought to him by supporting characters whose importance the script never glossed over, but whose original plan was to give M'Baku the power. His army that shows up to help in the 11th hour is a further payoff of his earlier actions- and also a reflection that T'Challa is becoming his own sort of king, legitimizing the Jabari within Wakandan society instead of pretending they aren't there. This wasn't the usual "clap your hands if you believe in faeries," (like Tony creating a new element in IM 2 because the script needed a way for him to get out of being poisoned by his reactor) this was Chekov's arsenal going off. Literally everything that contributed to his eventual victory was set up within the first half of the movie.
  • Killmonger as "the hero's powers an abilities, only darker"- One, they're actually family. Two, as stated previously, the Black Panther is the King of Wakanda. Short of giving him additional bells and whistles Yellowjacket-style, Killmonger's difference is in how he thinks and acts, not in what he does- and the essential similarity between the two feeds into the deeper narrative that they really are not that different- Had Killmonger had T'Challa's upbringing, they would be the same man, and that's the tragedy of Killmonger.
  • The slugfest between armies of characters most of whom we do not know. James Bond flicks used to do this all the time, and Marvel still does it a lot. In Black Panther though, these weren't simply hordes of color-coded people we didn't care about- every faction involved in the fight except the Jabari had been around as people we really liked... sure, we could see where things were going from the second W'Kabi expressed his exasperation that Klaue had gotten away... but W'Kabi was a character, not just "leader of the Border Tribe." Likewise, Okoye was established well beyond simply being the leader of the Dora Milaje. While not particularly subtle, it meant that we cared about people on both sides of the Wakandan civil war.
  • Ticking Clock Scenario. Yeah, yeah, if those ships leave Wakanda Airspace, It's Bad (although surely they could have been recalled before reaching their destinations? The fight didn't take THAT long). However, we don't really dwell on it- it's mostly to give Ross, the Tie-In Character, something to do, and the film gives it exactly as much space as that is worth. While the weakest part of the final battle, it does something rather important- it allows Ross to actually do something for T'Challa and his allies- and it also constitutes just about the only thing he can do, and allows him to reinforce the impression he gave by shielding Nakia that people outside of Wakanda- even Colonizers- aren't without worth. It's a pretty bog-standard trope tacked to a bog-standard trope, but neither was given too much screentime. It's not as if we're really in much suspense about how things are going to turn out, any more than we expected Hela to kill Thor in Raganarok.
  • Killing off a mentor/spiritual leader figure. Admittedly, this is less Marvel-specific than just action films in general, but Zuri's death was certainly no surprise- however, his decision to interfere in ritual combat was motivated by genuine guilt... for something he really should feel guilty about. While it was certainly as cheap and manipulative as any other such killing-off, it also allowed those witnessing the combat to understand first-hand some of the more rotten aspects of King T'Chaka's reign without turning Killmonger into the Good Guy- and represented another break with Wakanda's past that could not simply be papered over.
  • Power Creep. Ohhhhh that power creep. As I've stated before, it's laughable to pretend that this is the same universe as the first Iron man movie. But Marvel's been doing that for ages. Thor raised the bar after the first three films focused on heroes who were powerful in isolation, but the wider world basically had to get by without their stuff- now there's an Asgardian cvilization out there. Captain America: The First Avenger introduced the first Infinity Stone we really got a look at. The Avengers brought us Hellicarrier action, and the Invasion of the Tissue paper Chitauri and gigantic friggin' space whale things. Iron Man 3 gave us a private company with no cosmic mojo of any kind making cookie-cutter Extremis Soldiers. Captain America: the Winter Soldier established that the United States Military had Falcon (and another pack like his) in their back pocket well prior to the first Avengers movie. Guardians of the Galaxy kicked the lid off of cosmic space "OMG HOLY CRAP!" as something that was just... out there, ignoring Earth for the time being. Avengers: Age of Ultron gave us "enhanced" people whose power level was far above the superpowers we'd seen in augmented humans to date- without the burnout effect of Extremis. It also gave us Vision, although the Infinity Stone that seems to be the source of most of his mojo had at least been around for a while at that point. In Ant-Man we find out that SHIELD had Pym (and the original Wasp) running ops for them in the friggin' late Cold War with technology that essentially torques physics. Doctor Strange went ahead and said, "nah, we've had magic around for ages, we just haven't bothered to show it to you until now." In that context, Wakanda at least has a culturally defined reason we haven't seen them running around solving peoples' problems for them up until now. Additionally, while their tech is out there compared to Stark or SHIELD, it's not THAT impressive when one recalls that Doctor Strange can open holes in reality without much apparent effort, or that the Kree Empire, the Nova Corps, the Sovereign, the Asgardians, or the friggin' space-pirate Ravagers wouldn't likely find their tech all that awe-inspiring.

TL;DR? Black Panther may see Marvel flexing some of its general tropes, but it also shows that learning has been done.


Felt it was over-hyped, I collected the old Black Panther comics and this wasn't that superhero. This was more political and about "empowering" the secondary characters. It was a good movie, but no where near the top of the Marvel movies. Slow paced, horrible CGI and serious collateral damage for peaceful people looking to help the world. The car chase was cool, but serious damage for a guy supporting the accords. I liked the take on the bad guys and thought that the princess was the best character, but the Panther, his love interest and even the royal guards were thin. Would have liked about 30 min less of the politics and maybe add in some live (not poor CGI) action.


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I saw it last weekend. It was a good, solid Marvel movie, but not my favorite. Here are a few thoughts i had about it:

** spoiler omitted **...

To your second point:

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White Supremacists have been doing just that DECADES. Gang members as well. People join the military to get access to training all the time. It's why of all the things about Killmonger in the movie that part was the
LEAST problematic for me because it accurately reflects what some people actually do.


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Felt it was over-hyped, I collected the old Black Panther comics and this wasn't that superhero. This was more political and about "empowering" the secondary characters. It was a good movie, but no where near the top of the Marvel movies. Slow paced, horrible CGI and serious collateral damage for peaceful people looking to help the world. The car chase was cool, but serious damage for a guy supporting the accords. I liked the take on the bad guys and thought that the princess was the best character, but the Panther, his love interest and even the royal guards were thin. Would have liked about 30 min less of the politics and maybe add in some live (not poor CGI) action.

What politics are you talking about?

Also I agree with you about the dodgy CGI, ESPECIALLY at the end.


Cole Deschain wrote:

Or how a captive scientist in a cave supplied by terrorists can hook Tony Stark's heart to a car battery to keep him alive....

... or how a self-contained energy source somehow translates into HYDRA having functional energy weapons in the 1940s but nobody else (except the Wakandans) figures it out on that scale until the 2010s- and in SHIELD's case, they just straight-up ripped off HYDRA tech.

... or how a Quinjet was able to survive crashlanding on an alien world in a functional manner.

... or how the hell a Helicarrier works...

... or how Hank Pym developed technology that allows for physics-breaking size-changing sometime prior to the 1980s.

As the boys on the Satellite of Love would say, "Repeat to yourself it's just a show, I should really just relax."

I did say it was only a minor annoyance. :)

I mostly just thought it could have been toned down a notch and still been seriously impressive. Most of the other things were essentially the plot gimmick/superpower of their character/movie, not background showing off "we're so cool".

Wakanda came off as not just ahead of the modern world, which would have been cool and fine, but also ahead of the rest of the superscience we've seen and that was a little much for me.


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thejeff wrote:
Wakanda came off as not just ahead of the modern world, which would have been cool and fine, but also ahead of the rest of the superscience we've seen and that was a little much for me.

I dunno, the Thor movies and the Guardians flicks have shown us some pretty loopy galactic superscience....

I mean, for a scumbag pirate like Yondu, interstellar travel is just a thing he does. Rocket builds planetary-grade nukes that fit into backpacks...


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thejeff wrote:
Wakanda came off as not just ahead of the modern world, which would have been cool and fine, but also ahead of the rest of the superscience we've seen and that was a little much for me.

I dunno, the Thor movies and the Guardians flicks have shown us some pretty loopy galactic superscience....

I mean, for a scumbag pirate like Yondu, interstellar travel is just a thing he does. Rocket builds planetary-grade nukes that fit into backpacks...

Fine. Earth superscience.


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Which is immediately shut down because this is Space Rock On Earth superSCIENCE!


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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Which is immediately shut down because this is Space Rock On Earth superSCIENCE!

Exactly. We've known that Vibrainium was a thing since AGE OF ULTRON (I forget if it's mentioned at all in CA: TFA). Wakanda is as advanced as it is because it's lived with Vibrainium for the entire duration of its existence. Using Vibrainium for their tech is probably almost taken for granted.

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It's mentioned in CA:TFA

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ShinHakkaider wrote:
We've known that Vibrainium was a thing since AGE OF ULTRON...

Specifically "The most versatile substance on the planet and they used it to make a frisbee."


Honestly I'd probably use it to make a flying car, Tri. :)


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That 'frisbee' had used *all* the *known* reserves of the metal.

..ie, there wasn't enough to make a flying car with it.

And Hama had it.

Because when the shield in TFA was in the lab, and it's getting shot at is a significant point to the power of the shield.

Or when Thor whacks it with the Mjolnir in The Avengers... and it *holds* and does not deform.


Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

That 'frisbee' had used *all* the *known* reserves of the metal.

..ie, there wasn't enough to make a flying car with it.

And Hama had it.

Because when the shield in TFA was in the lab, and it's getting shot at is a significant point to the power of the shield.

Or when Thor whacks it with the Mjolnir in The Avengers... and it *holds* and does not deform.

Yes and that's how I preferred vibranium. Maybe because I'm coming from the comics world. (Though the shield is different there.)

A metal with specific properties and the cool stuff it does based on those properties - absorb vibrations and kinetic energy. The shield and the basic stuff the panther suits do is a reasonable extrapolation of that.

Beyond that though, it's treated in this movie as a handwavium excuse for anything. No limits, whatever they feel like throwing in is fine because "vibranium".
And yeah, I guess it was foreshadowed with the "most versatile substance on the planet" line. It is. It can do literally anything the plot or the action sequence demands. It apparently teaches people science too. :)

It's really not that big a deal to me, as much as we're arguing about it here. I loved the movie. The only bit where this really seemed jarring to me was the "shove the vibranium bead into the fatal wound" scene.


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Has Shuri tried using vibranium beads to kill spambots? 'Cause I suspect she'd win a Nobel Peace Prize for that.

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Re: the bead stabilizing Ross,

I assumed that was less a vibranium thing, and more an advanced nanotech thing (which, to be fair, is I guess still a vibranium thing by proxy)


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That was kind of my take on it, too.

Fast-hitting nanites.

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...this would also hint at the 'dream' sequences too... they could have been accessing a database of stored memories of previous kings, presented in a digestible format for a human mind -- and also why they didn't let folks 'stay in' too long?


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Now I want a Wakanda "Shory Returns" adventure path dealing on the ramifications of a reappearing Shory floating city.


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That was kind of my take on it, too.

Fast-hitting nanites.

** spoiler omitted **

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So they've had nanotech for centuries? Okay.

They seemed to imply that was a recent (Shuri) advance, not something they'd had lying around forever.
My guess is that the ancestral stuff isn't tech, but magic. (Or still possible - an effect of the soul gem.)


thejeff wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:

That 'frisbee' had used *all* the *known* reserves of the metal.

..ie, there wasn't enough to make a flying car with it.

And Hama had it.

Because when the shield in TFA was in the lab, and it's getting shot at is a significant point to the power of the shield.

Or when Thor whacks it with the Mjolnir in The Avengers... and it *holds* and does not deform.

Yes and that's how I preferred vibranium. Maybe because I'm coming from the comics world. (Though the shield is different there.)

A metal with specific properties and the cool stuff it does based on those properties - absorb vibrations and kinetic energy. The shield and the basic stuff the panther suits do is a reasonable extrapolation of that.

Beyond that though, it's treated in this movie as a handwavium excuse for anything. No limits, whatever they feel like throwing in is fine because "vibranium".
And yeah, I guess it was foreshadowed with the "most versatile substance on the planet" line. It is. It can do literally anything the plot or the action sequence demands. It apparently teaches people science too. :)

It's really not that big a deal to me, as much as we're arguing about it here. I loved the movie. The only bit where this really seemed jarring to me was the "shove the vibranium bead into the fatal wound" scene.

Cap's shield being pure Vibranium and not a Unique Vibranium-adamantium Alloy reveals its plot failing there. It absorbs all kinetic energy and vibrations.

So how does it bounce?

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thejeff wrote:


And yeah, I guess it was foreshadowed with the "most versatile substance on the planet" line. It is. It can do literally anything the plot or the action sequence demands. It apparently teaches people science too. :)

Cap's shield being pure Vibranium and not a Unique Vibranium-adamantium Alloy reveals its plot failing there. It absorbs all kinetic energy and vibrations.

So how does it bounce?

Because Vibranium.

It's the most versatile substance on the planet. It absorbs when you want it to, it bounces when you want it to. It apparently heals wounds or takes control of cars when you want it to do that.


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To be fair, being able to completely control kinetic energy at a near atomic level would let you do a lot of things, especially with nanites. Realistically, nanites would be a one-function tool, because you can't build a lot of versatility into something that small. With just kinetic properties of vibranium, you can now build versatile nanites that can do nearly anything possible that you could do with larger physical tools, but now that would be quite easy at the cellular level.

Cutting out a cancerous tumor precisely without removing healthy cells would be pretty straight forward. Stabilizing bleeding, and protecting spinal cells wouldn't be that hard either. The hard part is creating a multi-function tool that can operate at that scale.

Once you have control of kinetic energy, it's pretty easy to convert that to thermal or electromagnetic energy as well. We're talking 19th century science that those principles are understood. If you have nanites that can make kinetic energy (with ferrous metals), you've got magnetism and electricity. It really isn't a big leap at that point to have an EMP (which is what disabled the trucks). I mean, you can make an EMP with a range of a few inches with stuff you can buy at a drugstore. Controlling kinetic energy at a molecular level would let you do that in all sorts of crazy ways.

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Cap's shield being pure Vibranium and not a Unique Vibranium-adamantium Alloy reveals its plot failing there. It absorbs all kinetic energy and vibrations.

So how does it bounce?

In the comics, I would fanwank that it has a rim of a non-momentum-absorbing material, allowing it to bounce around.

Or, in the words of Spider-Man, "Boy, that thing doesn't obey the laws of physics at all..."

Even the absorption abilities are sporadic. It absorbs the kinetic energy of bullets fired at it in the first Captain America movie, so that they fall to the ground, energy depleted. In the second Captain America movie, in the fight under the overpass, bullets from a minigun ricochet off of it and kill other people, which they absolutely should not have done. In the Avengers movie, it absorbs the impact of Thor's hammer hitting it, preventing Cap from becoming a smear of jelly behind an indestructible shield, after Thor 'puts the hammer down,' and, later in the same movie, Iron Man bounces a repulsor blast off of it, and takes out some Chitauri. So, yeah, vibranium just does whatever is cool.

Same with Pym particles. You shrink and retain the same mass, because the distance between your atoms has contracted, so that you can punch and flip people with your full-size strength, except that you are also light enough to ride on a flying ant and a shrunken tank is light enough to be carried around in someone's pocket...

Science! :/

And then there's Asgard, which has had a small ocean worth of water falling off it's edges into space every second of every minute of every day, for the last couple thousand years, and yet has neither run out of water, nor is sitting on a planet-sized doughtnut shaped asteroid of ice. (Heeey, maybe that's where the ice-world of Jotunheim came from...) :)

I like me some superhero movies (and comic books, and fantasy, etc.), but sometimes the science-lover in me just wants to curl up in a ball. :)


I'm down to Magic shield does magic things.


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Cole Deschain wrote:

I am somewhat amused by the fact that while they're nominally in the same universe... you cannot pretend that this is the same world that Iron Man (2008) happens in. ;)

We've been free of the "keep it real-world plausible" shackles of Batman begins for some time now, but GOD it felt glorious seeing Wakanda just generally ruling the roost.

Those HYDRA weapons SHIELD was stockpiling? Pathetic. Oh, Stark has power armor suits, huh? That's cute! Shuri demonstrated superior tech on every level WHILE being a better human being. And that's just her. I kinda want a Shuri spinoff flick that's just two hours of her making the world better without throwing a punch.

And Killmonger... well.

** spoiler omitted **

Also, you know. Michael B. Jordan is a friggin' BOSS.

ALL OF THIS. I cut Stark some slack because again he didn't have this miracle metal to work with from scratch as Shuri does but yeah I'm pretty sure she's gonna be like "Nice Suit." *Snicker* *mentally already drawing up plans to improve the Stark design*

I'm picturing an exchange like that between Stark and Vanko in IM2, except Shuri tells Stark how to improve his suit.

There was a great quote from the "Enemy of the State II" storyline during Priest's epic run, after the Stark/T'Challa fight. Ross makes some comment to the effect of "T'Challa *chooses* not to wear a suit of battle armor." Right after HPP takes out the stealth armor with a bottle of Windex.


Unless we have any proof Shuri invented pretty much everything we see, I'm still putting Tony down as the smarter of the two for basically inventing all his stuff on his own (barring the superelement and basic repulsors his daddy invented). Shuri has the backing of an entire country and centuries of developmnet, while Tony had basically his dad who he was never close to and a box of scraps. Shuri has the benefit of better techbase to work with.


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Unless we have any proof Shuri invented pretty much everything we see, I'm still putting Tony down as the smarter of the two for basically inventing all his stuff on his own (barring the superelement and basic repulsors his daddy invented). Shuri has the backing of an entire country and centuries of developmnet, while Tony had basically his dad who he was never close to and a box of scraps. Shuri has the benefit of better techbase to work with.

Ideally, they could both be really good at different things. Or one of them more focused and the other broader - like in the comics where Reed Richards is often portrayed as the generally smartest around, but not as good as the other top brains in their areas of expertise.


Different types of intelligence are a thing.


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Right now what's REALLY cool to me is BP WILL break Avengers box office record. That's pretty epic.


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Right now what's REALLY cool to me is BP WILL break Avengers box office record. That's pretty epic.

Well, putting aside any talk of social relevance... it's a better movie. ;)


Cole,

True but I'm still happy for it. :)

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Finally saw it yesterday, and the one question I was left with is

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are there more heart shaped magic Black Panther flowers? They destroyed all but one in the garden, and that last one was used.

So no more future Black Panthers or taking away his powers for a challenge? Or can they somehow grow more?

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I bet they have more hidden somewhere. THey aren't stupid.

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Hama wrote:
I bet they have more hidden somewhere. THey aren't stupid.

But if that were the case, why would they have needed to steal one just before the rest got burned? They could have gone to the secret cache.

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Hama wrote:
I bet they have more hidden somewhere. THey aren't stupid.

I would have assumed that it grew naturally *somewhere* in the country, and that not every single example of the McGuffin was in that room.

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It grew from the vibranium. I don't see why it wouldn't grow again.


I'd like to think that no one can challenge him anymore. Then again, I don't remember him having any superpowers in the comics; just training and tech. Then again, the only thing I know about him is through the lens of Avengers comics or Illuminati series...


The heart-shaped herb has been involved with him as long as I know anyways.


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I bet they have more hidden somewhere. THey aren't stupid.

They are comic book characters - they are exactly as stupid as plot needs them to be, however easy and obvious a solution to their stupidity is.

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Vidmaster7 wrote:
The heart-shaped herb has been involved with him as long as I know anyways.

Yeah, the heart-shaped herb's been the source of his physical abilities (which put him at the same 'peak human' status as Captain America, in the comics, and seeing him in Civil War suggest that he's also every bit the far-stronger MCU Cap's equal in the MCU) and heightened senses (night vision, track by scent, etc., at least in the comics) since the beginning.

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Seems like a good hook for a new adventure.

Maybe they have to travel to the Necropolis, the Wakandan City of the Dead, where the original Black Panther was interred with a supply of the heart-shaped herb for his passage through the afterlife to the green valley of Bast and Sekhmet. To get the seeds, they have to overcome deadly traps and/or dangerous and mysterious guardians.

Or maybe they just call up Dr. Strange, and he uses the Eye of Agamotto to un-burn the garden.


I feel like the trend right now is all the avengers are being de-powered or seperated. maybe to make thanos invasion easier? Just a theory.

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