So I had an idea for a higher dex than attack human slayer, they are fast and deadly, aloof, and precise. I was hoping to get a sunblade at some point but starting with a shortsword. My hope is to take Weapon Finesse, Weapon focus: shortsword, pirhana strike, and slashing grace. The Sunblade is kind of both a shortsword and a bastard sword due to its description. "This sword is the size of a bastard sword. However, a sun Blade is wielded as if it were a short sword with respect to weight and ease of use. In other words, the weapon appears to all viewers to be a bastard sword, and deals bastard sword damage, but the wielder feels and reacts as if the weapon were a short sword. Any individual able to use either a bastard sword or a short sword with proficiency is proficient in the use of a sun Blade. Likewise, Weapon Focus and Weapon Specialization in short sword and bastard sword apply equally, but the benefits of those feats do not stack." So I was wondering if you can apply these 4 feats to this weapon as the weapon is more or less both weapons at once? Please help. I just want to hit and damage with dex :/
You pretty much answered it yourself, it can use feats for either weapon, so you can use all those feats just fine.
Morganstern wrote: You pretty much answered it yourself, it can use feats for either weapon, so you can use all those feats just fine. WAIT REALLY!? So all feats that apply to either weapon can apply to the Sun Blade? I wasnt sure so I wanted to know but if thats the case then HOLY S%@%! Then again....I imagine the Sun blade probably loses effectiveness eventually and doesnt work very well for late game?
ViConstantine wrote: Morganstern wrote: You pretty much answered it yourself, it can use feats for either weapon, so you can use all those feats just fine. WAIT REALLY!? So all feats that apply to either weapon can apply to the Sun Blade? I wasnt sure so I wanted to know but if thats the case then HOLY S@##! Then again....I imagine the Sun blade probably loses effectiveness eventually and doesnt work very well for late game? A Shortsword deals 1d6 damage for an average of 3.5. A Bastard Sword deals 1d10 for an average of 5.5. So you are talking about a +2 average increase in damage. At the levels where you can afford a Sun Blade that's not a huge difference.
Gisher wrote: ViConstantine wrote: Morganstern wrote: You pretty much answered it yourself, it can use feats for either weapon, so you can use all those feats just fine. WAIT REALLY!? So all feats that apply to either weapon can apply to the Sun Blade? I wasnt sure so I wanted to know but if thats the case then HOLY S@##! Then again....I imagine the Sun blade probably loses effectiveness eventually and doesnt work very well for late game? A Shortsword deals 1d6 damage for an average of 3.5. A Bastard Sword deals 1d10 for an average of 5.5. So you are talking about a +2 average increase in damage. At the levels where you can afford a Sun Blade that's not a huge difference. I mean fair enough I guess but thats 2 die up, the thing is that a sun blade cant be enchanted to be made better like most basic weapons can making their scaling kind of weak. But, being able to apply for all 4 of those feats I listed is pretty awesome and makes it much more usable than just a bastard sword or shortsword.
ViConstantine wrote: Gisher wrote: ViConstantine wrote: Morganstern wrote: You pretty much answered it yourself, it can use feats for either weapon, so you can use all those feats just fine. WAIT REALLY!? So all feats that apply to either weapon can apply to the Sun Blade? I wasnt sure so I wanted to know but if thats the case then HOLY S@##! Then again....I imagine the Sun blade probably loses effectiveness eventually and doesnt work very well for late game? A Shortsword deals 1d6 damage for an average of 3.5. A Bastard Sword deals 1d10 for an average of 5.5. So you are talking about a +2 average increase in damage. At the levels where you can afford a Sun Blade that's not a huge difference. I mean fair enough I guess but thats 2 die up, the thing is that a sun blade cant be enchanted to be made better like most basic weapons can making their scaling kind of weak. There are ways to upgrade it temporarily, although Slayers don't have direct access to a lot of them.
ViConstantine wrote: But, being able to apply for all 4 of those feats I listed is pretty awesome and makes it much more usable than just a bastard sword or shortsword. It's a cool weapon. I had the original version from the 1st edition Ravenloft modules, and I loved the flavor. It just isn't as huge an upgrade from Shortsword that it can seem at first.
As a side note, you might want to consider the Ulfen Ethnicity Trait called Weapon Training from Inner Sea Races. It gets you +1 damage with axes (Battleaxe, Throwing Axe, Handaxe, and Greataxe), bows (long and short), swords (Bastard Sword, Greatsword, Longsword, and Short Sword), and hammers (Light Hammer and Warhammer). At low levels +1 damage can be a big deal.
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