Pounce rake and grab rules


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Okay I looked around for an answer in previous threads but didn't find this exact answer.

Can a creature like a tiger (with pounce, rake, and grab) take on the charge even if the grab doesn't trigger a grapple?

Phrased another way, does pounce ENTIRELY override the rake rule of needing to start the turn grappled or just allow in to rake if it makes the grapple with a grab attack on the pounce?


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Pounce (Ex) When a creature with this special attack makes a charge, it can make a full attack (including rake attacks if the creature also has the rake ability).

When a creature with the Pounce ability pounces, it can make a full attack that includes every attack it can make, that includes rakes.

If it also has a Grab attack, it can do so. That would be necessary to include the rake in the next round, where the raker needs to start the turn in a grapple, in order to rake.


There are two circumstances in which you can Rake.

1) You are using Pounce.
2) You start the turn grappling.

So, to answer your question: yes, you can Rake when you Pounce.


look into rhino charge to fully make use of this so the tiger can move away(provoke aoo) get ready and then charge back+pounce each turn.

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