Question about blinded, blind-fight and invisibility


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Hi all,

i ran over an somewhat odd wording, and wanted to hear your oppinion.

the blind fight feat denies the advantages of being invisibal to any opponent attacking me.

Spoiler:
CRB wrote:
An invisible attacker gets no advantages related to hitting you in melee. That is, you don’t lose your Dexterity bonus to Armor Class, and the attacker doesn’t get the usual +2 bonus for being invisible.

so when i walk around, combat breaks out (already acted in that combat, so not flat footed) an invisible character gets no benefits.

what about this:
in combat i get blinded and now suffer from the "blind" condition.
it says: "The creature cannot see. It takes a –2 penalty to Armor Class, loses its Dexterity bonus to AC (if any),"
now i get attacked by someone who is not invisible.

blindfight wont help me out because it only denies the bonuses of being invisible, but not the disadvantages for being blinded, though they are pretty much the same.

in otherwords:
if i cant see somebody because he is invisible, im perfectly fine.
if i cant see somebody because he i am blind, im screwed.

seems weird to me. that wording even applies to the further going blind-fight feats.

best regards


There is not a single question in your "question".
All you did was state true facts.


I think a lot of GMs treat "blinded" as "everyone is invisible to you" for this purpose. Definitely a houserule, though, you are correct that RAW are screwy.


Being blinded is different than just being attacked by invisible creatures. You can't see the terrain around you and it's more difficult for you to move freely.

Blind fighting specifically negates the disadvantages when fighting an opponent that you can't see, not the disadvantages that you get from not being able to see at all.


It is not completely true that Blind-fight Feat does not affect your ability to move freely while blinded.

"You do not need to make Acrobatics skill checks to move at full speed while blinded."

So there is, at least, one explicit disadvantage that Blind-fight supersedes of the Blind-condition; out of this point we might consider that other sections of the condition can be affected as well.

In my opinion, it is more general the case of not being able to see your opponent than the cause of not being able to see the opponent.

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