The Orville - New Sci Fi Comedy from Seth MacFarlane and Director John Favreau


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I feel like if isaac wanted the organics dead the organics would be dead.


Hmm anyone else noticed all the aliens seem to be physically way more capable then the humans? With the exception of yaphit. If you throw them all in a ring whose going to come out on top? gonna be close between Kitan and Isaac but got to watch Bortus too he might take a bite out of ya.


Vulcans are stronger, smarter, have mental powers, healing abilities, etc.

Klingons are stronger, natural warriors, redundant organs.

Basically, in Star Trek, the only advantage humans have is luck (and they breed faster than most). In Babylon 5, it is their need to form communities. Star Wars, they outnumber most races, and seem to have force ability more often (though this could just be because of their greater numbers, rather than greater percentage).


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Humans the Rabbits of the universe....

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In some sci-fi, it seems like aliens are often really good specialists, while humans are better generalists. You get six Vulcans for bridge crew, and they all want to be the science officier. You get six Klingons, and they all want to be security / tactical.

I kind of like how David Brin, in Startide Rising/The Uplift War tweaked that by having humanity's closest ally in an alien-dominated galactic society being a race whose 'hat' was adaptability...

I've yet to see a setting where there's a race that breeds super-fast and is everywhere, and beats humanity at that game as well, apart from perhaps the implied setting of GURPS Aliens (which had a race called the Cidi that were about a foot and a half tall, and bred like the small mammals they were, renting out smallish apartments in human cities and shelving them off into living quarters for a dozen Cidi families, they were said to have unexpected political impact in democratic governments, and some tried to keep them from immigrating...)

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They also get a bonus feat at 1st level and an extra skill point per level. ;-)

Also, they learn English as their primary language and have the best pop culture and historical references. No one ever dresses up as 18th Century Vulcan duelists or watch Klingon reality TV or Ferengi puppet shows or rock out to Bajoran music during battles.


I think I do remember bajoran music being mention once. I still personally wouldn't mind hearing some klingon opera.

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I love how they described religion as a culture's growing pains, a thing they eventually outgrow.

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Totally cool episode. I think they were looking at our version of Earth! This show tackles subjects that are pretty deep at times, despite the partial comedy angle. I just don't know how to classify this: somehow it works better than Star Trek for me, as the heaviness and serious nature of Star Trek always result in a really long middle part as the characters investigate and deliberate. In this show, they keep surprising you with unexpected humor when things get a little tedious in order to break the monotony. Makes for a far better one hour experience.


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I kind of like how David Brin, in Startide Rising/The Uplift War tweaked that by having humanity's closest ally in an alien-dominated galactic society being a race whose 'hat' was adaptability...

Yasoki/ratfolk are pretty close. They breed faster and have evolved a lot of different appearances.


Hama wrote:
I love how they described religion as a culture's growing pains, a thing they eventually outgrow.

Humanity might outgrow superstition but we'll never outgrow religion. History shows us that anything and everything is or was worshiped by someone somewhere. Lots of "isms" to choose from.

But I agree with the majority of the posters here that Star Trek: The Orville is an exceptional show. Right up there with Silicon Valley.


Yeah, not a fan of that line. But fits with several TNG episodes.
But not DS9, VOY, or TOS.

BTW: Per the guy who invented the show. One of the 9 senses Vulcan's possess is Nome. The innate ability to sense the existence of what humans would call God. (Big reason I had a problem with ST5, where a Vulcan was exiled for this exact reason.)

Belief in a higher power is not antithetical to logic and reason. Some things can not be explained by pure logic. And some of our greatest minds made their discoveries in an effort to understand the work of God.


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Humanity might outgrow superstition but we'll never outgrow religion.

there is a difference?

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Yeah, not a fan of that line. But fits with several TNG episodes.

But not DS9, VOY, or TOS.

BTW: Per the guy who invented the show. One of the 9 senses Vulcan's possess is Nome. The innate ability to sense the existence of what humans would call God. (Big reason I had a problem with ST5, where a Vulcan was exiled for this exact reason.)

Belief in a higher power is not antithetical to logic and reason. Some things can not be explained by pure logic. And some of our greatest minds made their discoveries in an effort to understand the work of God.

The reason why does not matter at all. Just the results.

Belief, by definition, is acceptance of a positive argument for something without any proof to back it up.

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Hythlodeus wrote:
Quark Blast wrote:


Humanity might outgrow superstition but we'll never outgrow religion.

there is a difference?

I'm torn about religion. When left in the hands of men it results in holy wars. When left in the hands of women, we get choirs, cake after church, and zen-like prayer with crystals to try to unlock some kind of inner psychic powers.

There's been a lot of good done when it brings people together for charity projects, soup kitchens, toy drives and the like. And there's been countless murders committed under a very thin umbrella of vague dogma and dubiously written ancient texts.

I feel like if you'd throw out the bad and keep the good parts, you'd end up with something that's between the girl guides and yoga mixed with doctors without borders.

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You don't need religion to do good or bad things. You only have to be human.


We had a brief power brownout, which knocked out our cable and killed the last 20+ minutes of both Arrow and The Orville. Now I have to watch for them to come up on demand on cable, or watch them on my tiny computer monitor. Sigh.

I think the last thing I saw on Orville was some peasant explaining the roadside corpses as non-believers in the Word of Kelly.

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You have quite a ways to go


In that case, I demand to see the missed episode now.

Nope, that didn't work.


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It's on Hulu.


I don't watch anything streaming -- Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, whatever. Mostly because I'm pigheaded and don't want to have to sign up for a dozen different services to watch things. (Consequently, I miss out on any number of good shows, but I'm already watching as much as I have time for.)

My PC is old, slow (USB rather than Ethernet 'net connection), and has a crap video card that makes it virtually impossible to watch scenes shot at night or in a dark room. That's pretty much all of Arrow, though it wouldn't be an issue with The Orville.

At most I'll have to wait a week for the missed episodes of both shows to be available on demand. It's hard to keep track of which shows are available the next day and which the next week.


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I only have Hulu, I love it, f~&~ the rest.

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I have Hulu, Netflix, and cable. And just got rid of my free Amazon trial. It's a bit much sometimes...

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Damon Griffin wrote:

I don't watch anything streaming -- Hulu, Netflix, Amazon, whatever. Mostly because I'm pigheaded and don't want to have to sign up for a dozen different services to watch things. (Consequently, I miss out on any number of good shows, but I'm already watching as much as I have time for.)

My PC is old, slow (USB rather than Ethernet 'net connection), and has a crap video card that makes it virtually impossible to watch scenes shot at night or in a dark room. That's pretty much all of Arrow, though it wouldn't be an issue with The Orville.

At most I'll have to wait a week for the missed episodes of both shows to be available on demand. It's hard to keep track of which shows are available the next day and which the next week.

Time to get a new PC. Or at least a laptop. They come in cheap now and most are decent enough to wach movies and shows on and to browse the net.


IF you want it for just watching tv's look into a fire stick their pretty nifty


Hama wrote:
Time to get a new PC. Or at least a laptop. They come in cheap now and most are decent enough to watch movies and shows on and to browse the net.

Oh, it's past time. But I'm pretty much living check to check until I pay off most of the ~$80K debt I'm carrying. Right now 60% of my net pay goes to that, and about 33-35% goes to monthly bills like food, utilities, cable, etc. What little is left goes temporarily into savings, then gets swallowed up by anything unexpected that comes along.

Over the past 12 months that's included a $1,200 emergency vet bill after our cat was mauled by dogs; $1,700 to replace our hot water heater; a $2,000 down payment on a "new" used car after my ride of 20 years finally gave up the ghost; $1,450 to repair and later replace our refrigerator; $600 to replace our *other* home PC...

The car will be paid off in 2 years; the second mortgage in 4 years; that will only leave a credit card perpetually near its credit limit. We won't have to wait any longer than paying the car off to replace this PC, and maaaaaybe not that long if we can avoid being hit by unexpected major expenses for 4-6 consecutive months.

Some days I'm tempted to start a GoFundMe page.

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Ouch. I feel your pain.


”Hythlodeus” wrote:
”Quark Blast” wrote:
Humanity might outgrow superstition but we'll never outgrow religion.
there is a difference?

Yes.

”Hama” wrote:

The reason why does not matter at all. Just the results.

Belief, by definition, is acceptance of a positive argument for something without any proof to back it up.

You mean like the ”positive” case for the Many Worlds interpretation of Quantum Mechanics?

People believe stuff without any proof all the time. Some of the stuff is a little more erudite than “god did it” but in the end the proofs are about equal.

”Hama” wrote:
You don't need religion to do good or bad things. You only have to be human.

Barring psychopathy, you do need some belief system to hit the extremes. Read the biography of Adolf Eichmann to see what I mean – if you weren’t his “enemy” the guy was totally considerate of your person and needs. To be otherwise within the range of normal and do what he did you need the support of some sort of belief system.

Back to the OP:
This was a good episode but it’s not like Seth McFarlane is a great philosopher. This is a fun show that most happen to like better than Discovery. It’s good to laugh at serious topics, especially serious topics that are too often taken to absurd degrees.


The show's great.
You will never understand practical jokes till someone cuts off your leg as a joke.
Actually I only enjoy practical joke videos where the joker gets hit in the face.

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Orville season 2 release date confirmed to be somewhere mid November.


Just watched this week's episode. I can't believe they stole the Holophone from Futurama.


You know for a comedy show I am like Mentally and morally tried by almost every episode.


Seth has terrible posture. And it really shows when you wear epaulets.


It does always look like he's leaning forward...


I also notice that his neck is bent. A scene where he is leaving the room, after talking to Gordon, he's practically looking down.

Some excellent writing on his part though. This was a great follow up to the series' answer to Best of Both Worlds.


I still haven't seen more than a few episodes of the new season (Alara's home world is the next episode).

Something about the 60 inches of snow we've gotten since then, I don't remember...

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Poor Gordon. I feel for him.


He's been having a pretty rough season, 'tis true.

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The Orville Co-Stars Scott Grimes and Adrianne Palicki Are Engaged
Not so rough for the actor though.


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He was also in Jumanji, Welcome to the Jungle.


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The Orville Co-Stars Scott Grimes and Adrianne Palicki Are Engaged

Not so rough for the actor though.

That is an incredibly mismatched photo. It looks like he was photo-shopped in.


Man those Moclans. Also Dolly has been making a comeback between this and Deadpool.


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Man those Moclans. Also Dolly has been making a comeback between this and Deadpool.

Yeah, the Planetary Union needs to first re-examine the wisdom of being allied with only one weapons manufacturer, and then re-examine their continued alliance with the Moclans. Because while I see the point of being cautious about applying your own culture's standards to another's, you are still allowed to apply them to your own.

Also, while I think this season has been a bit Moclan-heavy, I'd still like to see it spelled out exactly what role gender plays in Moclan physiology. We know the males don't need females to reproduce, even though it turns out that females are a lot more common. Do the females need the males (i.e., were Ed's worse-case scenario of the Caylin wiping out everyone but that all-female colony to come to pass, would that colony be able to sustain itself past a generation)?


I feel like if both genders didn't need the other to breed are they really genders as we know them? Almost two separate species that occasionally breed a creature of the other species.


I'm thinking it's unnatural, as in, their species was genetically tampered with long ago. Given their present-day proclivity for weapons manufacture, one can assume it wasn't amicable, and that they had to drive said tamperers away.

Alternatively, they suffered some kind of close-to-extinction level event, and they genetically altered themselves (it's easier to get the population to bounce back when any two Moclans can mate, as opposed to humans where two of the same gender gets you nowhere; they're kind of like Chakats in that regard). It would also explain their adherance to traditional ways, since that's probably what kept them alive through whatever crisis it was.


I agree I don't think their single gender society was a natural process. Somewhere along the line it was tampered with so males could mate with males. I'm almost willing to bet two females can't breed with each other.

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