Sleight of Hand bonus stacking


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I'm trying to finalize a Varisian character who has Sleight of Hand as a class skill, and naturally gravitated to the pocketed scarf. Browsing the clothing outfits available, I thought the pickpocket's outfit seemed fitting. But, I'm not exactly sure how they work together in conjunction with sleight of hand when trying to keep my daggers concealed. Can someone help me figure it out?

Here's the relevant info and my thoughts on it:

Pocketed Scarf:
This scarf grants you a +4 bonus on Sleight of Hand checks made to hide objects on your body. This bonus does not stack with the bonus wearing heavy clothing provides but does stack with bonuses for attempting to hide small objects.

Pickpocket's Outfit:
Outfitted with concealed pockets, this clothing gives you a +2 bonus on hiding small objects on your person.

Sleight of Hand:
- You can hide a small object (including a light weapon or an easily concealed ranged weapon, such as a dart, sling, or hand crossbow) on your body.
- A dagger is easier to hide than most light weapons, and grants you a +2 bonus on your Sleight of Hand check to conceal it.
- A dagger is easier to hide than most light weapons, and grants you a +2 bonus on your Sleight of Hand check to conceal it.

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Pocketed scarf gives me +4. It doesn't stack with heavy clothing, but does stack with bonuses for small objects.

Pickpocket's outfit isn't heavy clothing really, and is worded to provide its +2 bonus to small objects, rather than a bonus from clothing (presumably because it isn't a heavy outfit, but simply equipped with many hidden pockets). So, so far, these two should stack I think.

Dagger's grant a +2 bonus, which has no mention of stacking / not-stacking, and has no listed bonus type. So, that would stack as well, right?

For a total of a +8 bonus to conceal my dagger?


Technically you may have a point, strictly speaking. Untyped bonuses stack. Personally I wouldn't allow the scarf and the outfit to stack, you can't hide the dagger in the scarf and the pocket at the same time.

Good luck getting it ok'd by your GM.

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dragonhunterq wrote:
you can't hide the dagger in the scarf and the pocket at the same time.

I mean, that is a fair point, but think of it this way: It wouldn't be so hard to find Waldo if there were only 5 other people in the picture.

Like, the more places that something can be hidden, the more difficult it is for someone to accurately spot it, and maybe that could factor into the fluff of stacking the bonuses.


dragonhunterq wrote:

Technically you may have a point, strictly speaking. Untyped bonuses stack. Personally I wouldn't allow the scarf and the outfit to stack, you can't hide the dagger in the scarf and the pocket at the same time.

Good luck getting it ok'd by your GM.

I think I'd rule the same way but by RAW I think it is OK. My top tip is to take 20 on a hide check for a dagger or two.

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