paizo.com Recent Posts in Infinite Energypaizo.com Recent Posts in Infinite Energy2017-04-22T06:22:24Z2017-04-22T06:22:24ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyUnArcaneElectionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#392017-05-07T04:13:40Z2017-05-07T04:13:40Z<p>^Suddenly I got this idea that Drift Drive uses something that has to be set up, so you have to use slower-than-light ships to set up the Drift, although these can maintain permanent portals (Drift or otherwise) back home as much as desired, so even though they might take many generations to do their jobs, strictly speaking they need not be generation ships. The incessant expansion and planar environmental disruption of the Drift finally honked somebody off, who wiped memories from the Gap to make sure that nobody would be able to expand the Drift further.</p>^Suddenly I got this idea that Drift Drive uses something that has to be set up, so you have to use slower-than-light ships to set up the Drift, although these can maintain permanent portals (Drift or otherwise) back home as much as desired, so even though they might take many generations to do their jobs, strictly speaking they need not be generation ships. The incessant expansion and planar environmental disruption of the Drift finally honked somebody off, who wiped memories from the Gap to...UnArcaneElection2017-05-07T04:13:40ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyBenjamin_Mahirhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#382017-04-26T19:46:17Z2017-04-26T19:46:17Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Matthew Shelton wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Fardragon wrote:</div><blockquote> Magic is involved in all FTL travel, which would mean it was available to anyone with money. </blockquote>I might be mistaken but my understanding has been that Drift engines were only technological, though I suppose the writers might want to leave the idea for enchantments for more accurate navigation, greater speed, damage regeneration, and so on. </blockquote><p>While ships most likely integrate a many magic components, one of the few things we know about The Drift is that it's unreachable by magic. So you are correct in assuming the Drift Engines must be purely technological.
<p>More importantly, due to the nature of the Drift, using portal technology for anything but refueling in a post Gap civilizations would be... possibly impossible, but the "possibly" qualifier only being in there since we only have one interview to go off of.</p>
<p>I could imagine some pre-Gap Generation ships that extensively used portals to refuel, though any such ship could potentially maintain a permanent portal back home making the need moot... haven't cracked open a spell book to the Level 9 spells in awhile, so I'm more familiar with conceptual function than mechanical numbers by this point. Still, if you assume there is no home to portal back to, that could be an interesting deep space encounter. How would a Generation Ship devolve after the chaos what was the Gap?</p>Matthew Shelton wrote:Fardragon wrote: Magic is involved in all FTL travel, which would mean it was available to anyone with money.
I might be mistaken but my understanding has been that Drift engines were only technological, though I suppose the writers might want to leave the idea for enchantments for more accurate navigation, greater speed, damage regeneration, and so on. While ships most likely integrate a many magic components, one of the few things we know about The Drift is that it's...Benjamin_Mahir2017-04-26T19:46:17ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyMatthew Sheltonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#372017-04-26T17:44:52Z2017-04-26T17:44:52Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Fardragon wrote:</div><blockquote> Magic is involved in all FTL travel, which would mean it was available to anyone with money. </blockquote><p>I might be mistaken but my understanding has been that Drift engines were only technological, though I suppose the writers might want to leave the idea for enchantments for more accurate navigation, greater speed, damage regeneration, and so on.Fardragon wrote:Magic is involved in all FTL travel, which would mean it was available to anyone with money.
I might be mistaken but my understanding has been that Drift engines were only technological, though I suppose the writers might want to leave the idea for enchantments for more accurate navigation, greater speed, damage regeneration, and so on.Matthew Shelton2017-04-26T17:44:52ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyOrfamay Questhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#362020-12-02T13:23:24Z2017-04-26T16:56:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tom Kalbfus wrote:</div><blockquote> Not everyone ha magic, yo can't buy it at your local grocery store.</blockquote><p>Actually, you can. <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/other-rules/settlements/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Every settlement, no matter how small, has magic items and spellcasting services available.</a> Even a "thorpe" (the game term for a settlement with fewer than 20 people) has a 75% chance of having any given magical item of up to 50 gp value available (that's basically any and all first level scrolls as well as 0 level potions), 1d4 minor magic items of greater value available at all times, and routine access to first-level spellcasting.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote> Everyoe in Pathfinder does not fly around on magic carpets and magic broomsticks rendering the horse obsolete. </blockquote><p>Yes, and that's the question. Why don't they? Given the by-rule existence of a magical market economy, and given the extreme value-for-money that magic items give, why <i>isn't</i> the horse obsolete? If you take the rules in the books at face value, you quickly end up in <a href="http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?222007-The-Definitive-Guide-to-the-Tippyverse-By-Emperor-Tippy" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">something that has become known as the Tippyverse</a>, a high-magic universe that looks more like something out of <i>The Jetsons</i> than out of <i>Monty Python and the Holy Grail.</i>Tom Kalbfus wrote:Not everyone ha magic, yo can't buy it at your local grocery store.
Actually, you can. Every settlement, no matter how small, has magic items and spellcasting services available. Even a "thorpe" (the game term for a settlement with fewer than 20 people) has a 75% chance of having any given magical item of up to 50 gp value available (that's basically any and all first level scrolls as well as 0 level potions), 1d4 minor magic items of greater value available at all times,...Orfamay Quest2017-04-26T16:56:05ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyClaxonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#352017-04-26T18:19:24Z2017-04-26T16:49:05Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tom Kalbfus wrote:</div><blockquote> How about an Elemental Fire rocket engine, inside the reaction chamber is a gate opening to the elemental plane of fire, the fire is expelled out of he rocket nozzle and pushes the rocket forward! this rocket can reach relativistic velocities and never runs out of fuel! Is this a plausible device in SF? </blockquote><p>For what it's worth, this one doesn't actually work because (or at least wont work very well) because physics is a tricky mistress.
<p>You see thrust in a rocket engine is provided by the combustion reaction of some sort of fuel source and an oxidizer. When they combust they they generate a large amount of gas at high temperature and pressure which is then passed through a nozzle, which produces thrust. </p>
<p>It is unclear how the elemental plane of fire functions exactly, but it's probably not producing enough gas at high enough pressures to be usable to make a rocket engine.</p>Tom Kalbfus wrote:How about an Elemental Fire rocket engine, inside the reaction chamber is a gate opening to the elemental plane of fire, the fire is expelled out of he rocket nozzle and pushes the rocket forward! this rocket can reach relativistic velocities and never runs out of fuel! Is this a plausible device in SF?
For what it's worth, this one doesn't actually work because (or at least wont work very well) because physics is a tricky mistress. You see thrust in a rocket engine is...Claxon2017-04-26T16:49:05ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyFardragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#342017-04-26T18:19:17Z2017-04-26T16:38:27Z<p>Magic is involved in all FTL travel, which would mean it was available to anyone with money.</p>Magic is involved in all FTL travel, which would mean it was available to anyone with money.Fardragon2017-04-26T16:38:27ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyTom Kalbfushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#332017-04-29T23:54:45Z2017-04-26T14:39:09Z<p>But why do most people in Pathfinder get around on horses, and carriages instead of magic carpets? Magic carpets aren't available to everybody. What if we assume the same availability of magic in Starfinder as in Pathfinder? In Starfinder, starships assume the place of mundane wooden sailing ships, most people get around on those. When you get hurt or sick, you visit a hospital rather than a magical healer. Magic in Pathfinder is something extra, available mostly at higher levels, should not the same be true of Starfinder? How does the equivalent of a 1st level commoner get around in Starfinder? Lets say Joe Average just got offered a job on another planet, an he sells his house, puts all his furniture in boxes and stows them away on a freighter an buys passage for himself, his wife and three children, is magic involved at all in this process, or does he just get aboard a mundane starship?</p>But why do most people in Pathfinder get around on horses, and carriages instead of magic carpets? Magic carpets aren't available to everybody. What if we assume the same availability of magic in Starfinder as in Pathfinder? In Starfinder, starships assume the place of mundane wooden sailing ships, most people get around on those. When you get hurt or sick, you visit a hospital rather than a magical healer. Magic in Pathfinder is something extra, available mostly at higher levels, should not...Tom Kalbfus2017-04-26T14:39:09ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite Energyryric (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#322017-04-29T23:53:56Z2017-04-26T13:04:02Z<p>If you're going to assume the basic tenets of physics are true in a world with magic, then it's likely those rules also apply to magic itself in some way that's not significant to gameplay.</p>
<p>At the scale of a Pathfinder PC, it doesn't matter where the energy for an electrified sword comes from. But it very well might matter if billions of people are using them to power hair dryers and ovens. It's very iffy and unscientific to assume that because there's no perceivable side effect for one person doing a thing that there are similarly no side effects when an entire civilization does them.</p>If you're going to assume the basic tenets of physics are true in a world with magic, then it's likely those rules also apply to magic itself in some way that's not significant to gameplay.
At the scale of a Pathfinder PC, it doesn't matter where the energy for an electrified sword comes from. But it very well might matter if billions of people are using them to power hair dryers and ovens. It's very iffy and unscientific to assume that because there's no perceivable side effect for one...ryric (RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32)2017-04-26T13:04:02ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyTom Kalbfushttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#312017-04-26T09:30:09Z2017-04-26T09:30:09Z<p>Not everyone ha magic, yo can't buy it at your local grocery store. Everyoe in Pathfinder does not fly around on magic carpets and magic broomsticks rendering the horse obsolete.</p>Not everyone ha magic, yo can't buy it at your local grocery store. Everyoe in Pathfinder does not fly around on magic carpets and magic broomsticks rendering the horse obsolete.Tom Kalbfus2017-04-26T09:30:09ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyTorbynehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#302017-04-25T16:17:03Z2017-04-25T16:17:03Z<p>I am going to go with a, "Yes, and?" approach to infinite energy. Conjuration allows easy access to free reaction mass (and if that mass stops existing an hour or so after being created all the better, boom, stealth drive!) so what, i want the spaceships to be able to travel light years away. </p>
<p>The ship can produce constant energy without refueling? Ok, the Enterprise only needed to be refueled when they wanted to tell a story set in the shipyard. Or you mean that any time i go to base i can freely recharge my energy cells for my weapons? I kind of expected to be able to do that. </p>
<p>We have UPBs in the game that can apparently be made into just about anything and easy access to energy, great, that just facilitates telling stories about epic exploration, drama and space battles. </p>
<p>If some of the players want to get gimmicky with it and put together some version of the Peasant Rail Gun then GM Fiat steps in, "yes you can put decanters of endless water on an asteroid to act as endless thrust and then hide most of the mass of the asteroid in an extra dimensional space to get it even faster and then evenetually crash a near light speed mountain into a planet... except that in the so many of thousands of years that this kind of thing has been around there are literally hundreds of greater spirits and lesser gods that will act to stop you as well as the planetary society itself which has anti-dimensional screening shields and divination to not only see your attack coming but would be able to see you setting up the attack and send a planetary defense force task group to wipe you out. Probably with a time gate to kill you before you even thought of the idea. good luck!"</p>I am going to go with a, "Yes, and?" approach to infinite energy. Conjuration allows easy access to free reaction mass (and if that mass stops existing an hour or so after being created all the better, boom, stealth drive!) so what, i want the spaceships to be able to travel light years away.
The ship can produce constant energy without refueling? Ok, the Enterprise only needed to be refueled when they wanted to tell a story set in the shipyard. Or you mean that any time i go to base i can...Torbyne2017-04-25T16:17:03ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyQuidEsthttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#292017-04-25T02:53:18Z2017-04-24T18:22:18Z<p>The problem is one of power. We already have effectively have infinite energy in the real world in the form of solar power. (I expect an enchanted sword to fail sooner than the sun even if there aren't rules for it.) The problem is that you only get that energy so fast. If I want to run my microwave, I need to be getting enough energy every second to run the microwave for that second, or else store energy over a longer period to run my microwave for a little while. (The storage and retrieval generally has some hefty inefficiencies associated with it.)</p>
<p>Consider a Create Water drive. A caster spamming Create Water over a water-wheel generates unlimited energy (so long as you keep them alive and working), but a higher level caster can power a cart uphill rather than just a wheelbarrow. </p>
<p>The Reverse Gravity drive requires a really large, dense wheel to deliver lots of power, and if left to spin freely without impedance will result in a flywheel explosion.</p>
<p>My guess is that magic works for low-power devices like phones, but the cost restricts it to situations where "infinite battery life" is more important than saving a few grand by just using a battery. For things like cars, the level of magic required to provide that much power is probably prohibitively expensive. Permanency ain't cheap on high-level spells. Magic isn't mass-produceable either- to double production of your magic-electric car, you need to hire twice as many people who have studied for a quarter-century. That suggests high-end luxury goods to me.</p>The problem is one of power. We already have effectively have infinite energy in the real world in the form of solar power. (I expect an enchanted sword to fail sooner than the sun even if there aren't rules for it.) The problem is that you only get that energy so fast. If I want to run my microwave, I need to be getting enough energy every second to run the microwave for that second, or else store energy over a longer period to run my microwave for a little while. (The storage and retrieval...QuidEst2017-04-24T18:22:18ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyCKent83https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#282017-04-24T12:42:43Z2017-04-24T12:42:43Z<p>Even if magic is not infinite, it still makes a great power supply since you tend to get much more out than you put in.</p>Even if magic is not infinite, it still makes a great power supply since you tend to get much more out than you put in.CKent832017-04-24T12:42:43ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyVosshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#272020-12-02T13:21:48Z2017-04-24T10:32:56Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Matthew Shelton wrote:</div><blockquote><p> How many caster levels can your average ley line support?
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<div class="messageboard-quotee">Quote:</div><blockquote>Magic is not an infinite resource with infinite shelf life unless you decide it has to be like that. Each world follows its own rules, as the folks from reddit.com/r/worldbuilding would tell you. </blockquote><p>Yes, that's true about world building, which is why it's an odd inquiry to pursue. The pathfinder setting doesn't really support your assumptions. A lot of magic is extraplanar or drawn from extraplanar and a lot of those planes -are- infinite, so there isn't any reason magic wouldn't be. Other Spellcasters are powered by themselves (they generate their own magic, which doesn't run out over their lifetime, or beyond if they extend that life or cheat death), magic gets stuffed into items from all kinds of places, and sits around for thousands of years without any sort of decay. Or in other cases remains active for thousands of years.
<p>@Tacticlion- fantastical science fiction, yes. Actual science, not so much.
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But tech failures for tch reasons don't have much impact on magic, or exploiting it,</p>
<p>Though there are certainly limits with pure magic, most of spells have limitations, and there's always anti magic sphere and disjunction...</p>Matthew Shelton wrote:How many caster levels can your average ley line support?
Zero. There isn't any indication that ley lines are anything but a throwaway reference for an archetype. Certainly not that they 'support' Spellcasters.
Quote:Magic is not an infinite resource with infinite shelf life unless you decide it has to be like that. Each world follows its own rules, as the folks from reddit.com/r/worldbuilding would tell you.
Yes, that's true about world building, which is why it's an...Voss2017-04-24T10:32:56ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyUnArcaneElectionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#262017-04-24T19:28:38Z2017-04-24T06:18:56Z<p>Maybe magic IS how a lot of stuff is powered in Starfinder time. That might also explain Drift stealing of pieces of other planes when doing faster-than-light travel (the part of the drive that generates the enormous energy required is sucking it from other planes because it would be too dangerous to store the required amount of antimatter onboard, and in the process of sucking up all that energy, it just eats some of the outer planes in the process).</p>Maybe magic IS how a lot of stuff is powered in Starfinder time. That might also explain Drift stealing of pieces of other planes when doing faster-than-light travel (the part of the drive that generates the enormous energy required is sucking it from other planes because it would be too dangerous to store the required amount of antimatter onboard, and in the process of sucking up all that energy, it just eats some of the outer planes in the process).UnArcaneElection2017-04-24T06:18:56ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyFardragonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#252017-04-24T19:28:32Z2017-04-24T06:01:35Z<p>Just because a setting has advanced technology, doesn't make it any more bound by scientific rules than a fantasy setting.</p>
<p>Indeed, what we know of Starfinder technology makes it quite clear that it's universe does not follow the same scientific laws as ours, if it follows any at all.</p>
<p>So, conservation of energy? No reason to suppose that is even a thing.</p>Just because a setting has advanced technology, doesn't make it any more bound by scientific rules than a fantasy setting.
Indeed, what we know of Starfinder technology makes it quite clear that it's universe does not follow the same scientific laws as ours, if it follows any at all.
So, conservation of energy? No reason to suppose that is even a thing.Fardragon2017-04-24T06:01:35ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyTacticslionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#242017-04-24T01:10:28Z2017-04-24T01:10:28Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Voss wrote:</div><blockquote> How so? Most 'limiters' I've seen are usually along the lines of 'don't apply modern day science to a setting that doesn't have it.' A setting with supe science pretty much leaves the field open to crazy. </blockquote><p>Because you've suddenly got tech that fails for tech reasons. This is a fundamental part of most tech stories - places where tech fails. Thus, I strongly suspect that it's going to run into, "Tech doesn't work, when..." type things.
<p>With nothing but pure magic, you have no limits, because the only relationship it has to actual physics, is a passing similarity - enough to tell a quasi-recognizable story. </p>
<p>From the very beginning, D&D and variants has had "science" in it (a certain module where players encounter a rocket ship comes to mind), and whenever that's mixed with magic, insanity applies.</p>
<p>This is no different... except now we'll have a set of codified rules about how magic and technology interact with each other. <i>At worst</i>, we're no worse off - anyone who wants to completely alter all of reality can already do so, pretty much at will, so long as they have the appropriate magic.</p>
<p>With Starfinder, we'll either have that level of crazy, or less, because we'll <i>also</i> have defined rules.</p>
<p>Hence, "quite the opposite."</p>Voss wrote:How so? Most 'limiters' I've seen are usually along the lines of 'don't apply modern day science to a setting that doesn't have it.' A setting with supe science pretty much leaves the field open to crazy.
Because you've suddenly got tech that fails for tech reasons. This is a fundamental part of most tech stories - places where tech fails. Thus, I strongly suspect that it's going to run into, "Tech doesn't work, when..." type things. With nothing but pure magic, you have no...Tacticslion2017-04-24T01:10:28ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyArchmage Varielhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#232017-04-24T01:11:04Z2017-04-24T00:48:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Trainedchimp wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Matthew Shelton wrote:</div><blockquote> The magic infused in the world is what powers arcane stuff. If you want realism, imagine that magic has a finite bandwidth, like an ISP or electrical power grid or the water pressure in your apartment building. With very few users drawing juice from the system, your performance is awesome. But when hordes of casters/customers are sucking out as much as they can, there will be performance issues. Either everyone's performance will suffer loss or the system will overload from the strain and fail like a server DDoS'ed to death. </blockquote><p>Maybe this is the reason Golarian is gone. The magic got used up, and with magic being such a vital and intigrated part of the world it just ceased to exist and took about 100 years of knowledge with it.
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</blockquote><p>With magic as part of the starfinder setting that seems hard to believe.Trainedchimp wrote:Matthew Shelton wrote: The magic infused in the world is what powers arcane stuff. If you want realism, imagine that magic has a finite bandwidth, like an ISP or electrical power grid or the water pressure in your apartment building. With very few users drawing juice from the system, your performance is awesome. But when hordes of casters/customers are sucking out as much as they can, there will be performance issues. Either everyone's performance will suffer loss or the...Archmage Variel2017-04-24T00:48:53ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyTrainedchimphttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#222017-04-24T00:29:39Z2017-04-24T00:29:39Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Matthew Shelton wrote:</div><blockquote> The magic infused in the world is what powers arcane stuff. If you want realism, imagine that magic has a finite bandwidth, like an ISP or electrical power grid or the water pressure in your apartment building. With very few users drawing juice from the system, your performance is awesome. But when hordes of casters/customers are sucking out as much as they can, there will be performance issues. Either everyone's performance will suffer loss or the system will overload from the strain and fail like a server DDoS'ed to death. </blockquote><p>Maybe this is the reason Golarian is gone. The magic got used up, and with magic being such a vital and intigrated part of the world it just ceased to exist and took about 100 years of knowledge with it.Matthew Shelton wrote:The magic infused in the world is what powers arcane stuff. If you want realism, imagine that magic has a finite bandwidth, like an ISP or electrical power grid or the water pressure in your apartment building. With very few users drawing juice from the system, your performance is awesome. But when hordes of casters/customers are sucking out as much as they can, there will be performance issues. Either everyone's performance will suffer loss or the system will overload...Trainedchimp2017-04-24T00:29:39ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyMatthew Sheltonhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#212017-04-23T21:52:13Z2017-04-23T21:49:48Z<p>How many caster levels can your average ley line support?</p>
<p>Magic is not an infinite resource with infinite shelf life unless you decide it has to be like that. Each world follows its own rules, as the folks from reddit.com/r/worldbuilding would tell you.</p>How many caster levels can your average ley line support?
Magic is not an infinite resource with infinite shelf life unless you decide it has to be like that. Each world follows its own rules, as the folks from reddit.com/r/worldbuilding would tell you.Matthew Shelton2017-04-23T21:49:48ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyVosshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#202017-04-24T01:03:29Z2017-04-23T18:36:43Z<p>How so? Most 'limiters' I've seen are usually along the lines of 'don't apply modern day science to a setting that doesn't have it.' A setting with supe science pretty much leaves the field open to crazy.</p>How so? Most 'limiters' I've seen are usually along the lines of 'don't apply modern day science to a setting that doesn't have it.' A setting with supe science pretty much leaves the field open to crazy.Voss2017-04-23T18:36:43ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyTacticslionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#192017-04-23T17:47:52Z2017-04-23T17:46:10Z<p>Oh, no. Quite the opposite. There is absolutely nothing here that I've not seen before, and the theorists are missing quite a few ideas I've seen propounded over the years...</p>
<p>EDIT: (I forgot to get to my point) but with tech in-play, actual or hypothetical tech, you suddenly have built-in limiters...</p>Oh, no. Quite the opposite. There is absolutely nothing here that I've not seen before, and the theorists are missing quite a few ideas I've seen propounded over the years...
EDIT: (I forgot to get to my point) but with tech in-play, actual or hypothetical tech, you suddenly have built-in limiters...Tacticslion2017-04-23T17:46:10ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite Energythejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#182017-04-23T17:18:26Z2017-04-23T17:18:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Tacticslion wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> The potential for this to just dissolve into even worse Tippyverse theorizing makes me kind of dread the whole game. </blockquote>You have nothing to worry about: this sort of thing has happened to every iteration of the game, staring with the first, in Gygax's games, and will continue to the end of RPGs. :D </blockquote><p>Yeah I know. The tech aspect just seems like it's making it worse - more justified in game.Tacticslion wrote:thejeff wrote: The potential for this to just dissolve into even worse Tippyverse theorizing makes me kind of dread the whole game.
You have nothing to worry about: this sort of thing has happened to every iteration of the game, staring with the first, in Gygax's games, and will continue to the end of RPGs. :D Yeah I know. The tech aspect just seems like it's making it worse - more justified in game.thejeff2017-04-23T17:18:26ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyTacticslionhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#172017-04-23T17:12:51Z2017-04-23T17:12:51Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">thejeff wrote:</div><blockquote> The potential for this to just dissolve into even worse Tippyverse theorizing makes me kind of dread the whole game. </blockquote><p>You have nothing to worry about: this sort of thing has happened to every iteration of the game, staring with the first, in Gygax's games, and will continue to the end of RPGs. :Dthejeff wrote:The potential for this to just dissolve into even worse Tippyverse theorizing makes me kind of dread the whole game.
You have nothing to worry about: this sort of thing has happened to every iteration of the game, staring with the first, in Gygax's games, and will continue to the end of RPGs. :DTacticslion2017-04-23T17:12:51ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite EnergyVosshttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#162017-04-23T17:11:21Z2017-04-23T17:07:15Z<p>Potentially oddly useful space flight spell: Tree Shape. Just bring some planters along, then crew members can turn into trees during their down time. Act as low level CO2 scrubbers as they sleep.</p>Potentially oddly useful space flight spell: Tree Shape. Just bring some planters along, then crew members can turn into trees during their down time. Act as low level CO2 scrubbers as they sleep.Voss2017-04-23T17:07:15ZRe: Forums: Starfinder General Discussion: Infinite Energythejeffhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2ub0v?Infinite-Energy#152017-04-23T13:33:15Z2017-04-23T13:33:15Z<p>The potential for this to just dissolve into even worse Tippyverse theorizing makes me kind of dread the whole game.</p>The potential for this to just dissolve into even worse Tippyverse theorizing makes me kind of dread the whole game.thejeff2017-04-23T13:33:15Z