Familiars and Personal spells... just how personal is it.

[Sylthvrena]

Ok so this came up today and i dont know if it has been ruled on.. could not find it

It is clear that a caster can cast personal, you spells on a familiar

It is also clear that a familiar with enough UMD and hands can use a wand

It seems pretty clear that you can also have sells that are personal, you, in wands. Like a wand of true strike.

The ruling i have found is that personal you spells in a wand can only be used on ones self.

But can a familiar, which is treated as you in a lot of ways. Use a wand of true strike on its master? I mean i think by rules as written its no. But has this come up before, has there been a ruling on it. i cant find it.

Feats that let you store spells in a familiar also make this a quesiton in my mind. What do folks think?

[turtle006]

A caster can cast personal spells on a familiar, I don't recall it going the other way, which is what this would be.

[habibo]

i am pretty sure that ability only works one way like if you had improved familiar and it had personal spells it couldn't cast them on you either

[Fuzzy-Wuzzy]

Wizard wrote:

Share Spells: The wizard may cast a spell with a target of "You" on his familiar (as a touch spell) instead of on himself. A wizard may cast spells on his familiar even if the spells do not normally affect creatures of the familiar's type (magical beast).

I'm pretty clear that the familiar can't ignore the wizard's type when casting spells on him, so Share Spells doesn't completely go both ways. Given that, I don't think it goes both ways even in part. It's a highly asymmetric relationship.