Efforless laced rapier and cloak and dagger style.


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If I apply an effortless lace to my rapier, would that allow me to chose that weapon for the benefits of the cloak and dagger style feat? My GM raised the concern that when picking the weapon for the Cloak and Dagger Style feat - I have to pick a weapon that is naturally light and the rapier is still a non-light weapon by itself. If that is true - what feats would you recommend for my build in order to replace the Cloak and Dagger feats and their prerequisites (Vital Strike, Dirty Fighting, Improved Dirty Trick, Cloak and Dagger Style, Cloak and Dagger Subterfuge).

Here is my build at the moment:

1. Inspired Blade/Noble Fencer Swashbuckler 1: [Weapon Finesse (Rapier)], [Weapon Focus (Rapier)], [Combat Reflexes], [Fencing Grace]
2. Empiricist Investigator 1
3. Empiricist Investigator 2: [Dirty Fighting]
4. Empiricist Investigator 3: Investigator Talent (Rogue Talent - Terrain Mastery: Urban)
5. Empiricist Investigator 4: [Extra Investigator Talent (Alchemical Discovery - Mutagen)]
6. Weaponmaster Fighter 1: [Improved Dirty Trick]
7. Weaponmaster Fighter 2: [Vital Strike], [Cloak and Dagger Style]
8. Weaponmaster Fighter 3
9. Weaponmaster Fighter 4: [Advanced Weapon Training - Warrior's Spirit], [Improved Critical (Rapier)]
10. Empiricist Investigator 5: Investigator Talent - Quick Study
11. Empiricist Investigator 6: [Critical Focus]
12. Empiricist Investigator 7: Investigator Talent - Sickening Offensive
13. Empiricist Investigator 8: [Cloak and Dagger Subterfuge]

Silver Crusade Contributor

So, without your GM houseruling it, you can't choose rapier (as it's not a weapon of the correct category). However, if you have the weapon training (light blades) class feature, it would work, as it is a light melee weapon belonging to that group. Since you didn't choose "light blades" with the weapon master archetype, you'll need a houserule for that to work (although it's clearly within the intent of the style feat). And of course, if you had swashbuckler weapon training, you wouldn't even need the lace.

Does this make sense? ^_^


Yeah, it means I am screwed. The campaign will end in one level so I can neither retrain to a normal fighter and still get weapon mastery or get 4 more swashbuckler levels. Does anyone have a suggestion what to replace the Cloak and Dagger passage with?
I'd rather not go with Piranha Strike since it will screw my parry reliability.

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