Okay, what did I miss? (circa last October)


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In general I'm a pretty consistent poster and consumer but between a broken computer and job/money issues I haven't been on the boards, gotten new products, delved in rumors or even posted new reviews on my blog.

My last post was in November but really I've been off the wagon since early October. But with a new job and a replaced computer I'm back in action and want to know what's been going on around here.

Any new rulings drama that I missed?

Any new martial/caster disparity debacles with new developments?

Have the new classes ruined the game forever?

How have the hardcovers, adventure paths and Player Companion books been?

How many people have we lost to 5e?

What products are worth catching up with and which is more worth letting slide?


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As far as the drama and disparity issues, you ain't missed a thing. It never ends.

And yes, the new classes have ruined everything. And no, the new classes have not ruined anything.

The books are entirely subjective, and I think the only hardback you may have missed was Horror Adventures. Fun book that I can't wait to put in my next campaign. I don't play the adventure paths or use the Companion books, so I can't help you there.

And there are a lot of posters who don't post much anymore or have disappeared altogether. I don't know if it's because of 5e or not, but the crowd is a little thinner I think. After not seeing you on here for awhile, I thought maybe you were one of the deserters. Glad you're back!


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The books are entirely subjective, and I think the only hardback you may have missed was Horror Adventures.

No HA was before october. Only hardcover he would have missed is villain codex. Which is fairly nifty and doesn't contain anything too controversial from my experience.


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Thanks, I had my release date mixed up. I didn't buy the Villain Codex, so it didn't occur to me.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:

As far as the drama and disparity issues, you ain't missed a thing. It never ends.

And yes, the new classes have ruined everything. And no, the new classes have not ruined anything.

The books are entirely subjective, and I think the only hardback you may have missed was Horror Adventures. Fun book that I can't wait to put in my next campaign. I don't play the adventure paths or use the Companion books, so I can't help you there.

And there are a lot of posters who don't post much anymore or have disappeared altogether. I don't know if it's because of 5e or not, but the crowd is a little thinner I think. After not seeing you on here for awhile, I thought maybe you were one of the deserters. Glad you're back!

Theoretically I'm a deserter. My ongoing campaign is still Pathfinder(in space) but I haven't had the time to have more long complex games so I've been exploring Savage Worlds, OVA, Ryuutama, 5e, Golden Sky Stories and FATE with varying degrees of success. Being limited to IRL Pathfinder means that its kind of tough to do more than my most persistent group which only meets for Pathfinder every two weeks, so I haven't gotten much done.


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There's now Toughness, but for skill points.

You can now play a full-BAB 6/9 caster. There's also a 6/9 caster that gives full casters a run for their money.

Casters can buy back casting levels lost to caster PrCs with feats.

Swarm Monger is awesome, and lets you (sorta) have a swarm companion.

There are now rules to kill them with kindness.


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MALWING~!

Welcome back!

I, uh... I don't know.

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Any new rulings drama that I missed?

Yes. I'unno what, though. Maybe the Horror Adventures alignment thing?

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Any new martial/caster disparity debacles with new developments?

Yes. By which, of course, I mean, "No, but people are still convinced of their own side, one way or the other."

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Have the new classes ruined the game forever?

Yes! ... by which, of course, I mean, "No."

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How have the hardcovers, adventure paths and Player Companion books been?

I'unno. I haven't paid attention.

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How many people have we lost to 5e?

I'unno. I know there were a few prominent folks we "lost" - sometimes because they like it better, sometimes they just want to try it, sometimes they split their gaming between it, and sometimes they just feel forced into it because of local tendencies.

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What products are worth catching up with and which is more worth letting slide?

Uh... all hail Starfinder! I'm super hype about it, though it's not out, yet.

Also, Starjammer - made by the d20pfsrd guy(s) - is out, and that looks exciting!

And, if you haven't, you might want to look at the Uncommon Commoner line of adventures, Dire Rugrat Publishing, and Legendary Adventures one-player games - that one is new, and awesome!


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QuidEst wrote:

There's now Toughness, but for skill points.

You can now play a full-BAB 6/9 caster. There's also a 6/9 caster that gives full casters a run for their money.

Casters can buy back casting levels lost to caster PrCs with feats.

Swarm Monger is awesome, and lets you (sorta) have a swarm companion.

There are now rules to kill them with kindness.

Ok, I'm not hip to the jive you're layin' down here. What's a 6/9 caster? And what are you talking about when you say Toughness for skill points?


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
QuidEst wrote:

There's now Toughness, but for skill points.

You can now play a full-BAB 6/9 caster. There's also a 6/9 caster that gives full casters a run for their money.

Casters can buy back casting levels lost to caster PrCs with feats.

Swarm Monger is awesome, and lets you (sorta) have a swarm companion.

There are now rules to kill them with kindness.

Ok, I'm not hip to the jive you're layin' down here. What's a 6/9 caster? And what are you talking about when you say Toughness for skill points?

Oh, sorry! 6/9 casters get six of the nine spell levels, like Bard or (in this case) Occultist. So Occultist can now get full base attack bonus without losing any spell levels. It can also take an archetype that gives it extra casting, stronger casting, and more spells known in exchange for a lot of its martial prowess.

I meant that there's a feat for +1 skill point per level.


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Malwing wrote:
Any new rulings drama that I missed?

Debate finally ended on the DC needed to jump a ten foot pit. Until just now when I brought it up again.


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QuidEst wrote:

There's now Toughness, but for skill points.

You can now play a full-BAB 6/9 caster. There's also a 6/9 caster that gives full casters a run for their money.

Casters can buy back casting levels lost to caster PrCs with feats.

Swarm Monger is awesome, and lets you (sorta) have a swarm companion.

There are now rules to kill them with kindness.

All of these raise eyebrows.

A full BAB 6/9 caster? Who? What class? What blasphemy is this?

Kill with kindness? There's a pacifism archetype? How is this achieved? Which book?

Feats that get caster levels? Where? What book?

I've been playing Starfinder(-ish) for the past year using Pathfinder and 3pp. So I'm all over that news. It literally didn't come out fast enough considering that Aethera stuff is trickling in and Starjammer is probably something I'm going to purchase for the sake of completion.


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Full BAB 6/9 Caster is the Occultist with the "Trappings of the Warrior" panoply; panoplies can be taken instead of an implement and have two specific implements as prerequisites (in this case transmutation and abjuration.) Kill with Kindness would be the "Kindness" emotional focus for the spiritualist's phantom (it gets paladin stuff, like lay on hands and mercies). These are both in Psychic Anthology (which also has a lot of good kineticist stuff if you care about that class.)

The feat that gets back a lost caster level is in Paths of the Righteous, which has 14 different prestige classes in it as well as some neat feats (one which lets you use weapon finesse with a glaive.) The feat in question is "prestigious caster" and there's also a feat that lets you have a favored prestige class.


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Malwing wrote:
All of these raise eyebrows.

Great! That was the intent. X)

Malwing wrote:
A full BAB 6/9 caster? Who? What class? What blasphemy is this?

Occultist can take a specific set of implements, and then take a special combo-implement school (Psychic Anthology). You invest focus to increase your BAB, and can spend it for flexible combat feats.

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Kill with kindness? There's a pacifism archetype? How is this achieved? Which book?

Kindness phantom, Psychic Anthology! It works with Id Rager for a more hands-on approach, too.

If you're more into summoning, the Blood of Beasts book allows you to have an ancestor eidolon.

Malwing wrote:
Feats that get caster levels? Where? What book?

There's a feat tax first, and then one feat per caster level lost to a prestige class that only grants casting levels on some levels. It's from Paths of Righteousness.


QuidEst wrote:

Oh, sorry! 6/9 casters get six of the nine spell levels, like Bard or (in this case) Occultist. So Occultist can now get full base attack bonus without losing any spell levels. It can also take an archetype that gives it extra casting, stronger casting, and more spells known in exchange for a lot of its martial prowess.

I meant that there's a feat for +1 skill point per level.

Ok, thanks! I thought I missed some important memo or something! Which feat gives you the extra skill point? I know Open Mind from "Ultimate Psionics" does. So there's an official Pathfinder feat for it, too? The Rogue in my party may swoon upon hearing this.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Which feat gives you the extra skill point?

Cunning, from Villain's Codex. It's literally toughness except "skill rank" substituted for "hit point" and a clause that lets you take it as a rogue talent (you know, if your rogue is hurting for skills.)


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Yep! (If your Rogue friend wants more, check out Channel Spirit.)


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Ok. Will do!

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