Improving bleed damage


Advice


I have 3 animal companions that do 1d6 bleed damage thanks to Evolved Companion.

If I have read the rules and the boards correctly, the bleeds do not stack; such that a hit from two companions would not be 2d6 bleed, but rather roll 1d6 twice and take the better of the two (I believe James Jacobs clarified this in a post at some point).

Is there any way to increase the 1d6 damage and/or make it stack?


If it doesn't stack then it doesn't stack, there's no changing it. A different source of bleed damage which does specify that it stacks (e.g. a wounding weapon, or the bloody arrows spell) would stack with these though.

A wounding amulet of mighty fists could therefore work I think, though second and later hits would only increase the bleed damage by 1 if they weren't high enough to replace the earlier hits bleed damage.

Scarab Sages

Bleed Damage almost never stacks. The best thing is to find something that triggers when you cause bleed damage, like the kuthite feat Cruelty.


i thought it was bleed effects from the same source rarly stack so since they are from 3 seperate sources they would stack


No, by default bleed effects don't stack with other bleed effects. Those that do call it out. Like the Vigilante Warlock archetype bleed attack.


if thats the case you should then replace that evolution with a different one as it is pretty useless


Lady-J wrote:
if thats the case you should then replace that evolution with a different one as it is pretty useless

I may retrain it later. For now, it is very useful.

The wounding property intrigues me. Since it stacks, getting three birds hitting the same creature would stack them up fast.


Expensive though. Each wounding AoMF would cost 16K, that's 48K for three creatures. I meant it more as an example than as a practical plan.


2 Wounding weapons don't stack with each other as they are 2 different sources. My PFS Tengu Privateer (Unchained Barbarian/Ranger <Sea Reaver & Pack Rager/Freebooter>) learned this the hard way.

+1 Wounding Blood Crystal Rhoka Sword
+1 Adamantine Swordbreaker Dagger
Scabbard of Bleeding Edges (Like Keen Edges but Wounding)
Bleeding Blow rage power
Two-Weapon Fighting

Sounds awesome, but had this pointed out to me AFTER purchasing the scabbard from a boon on a chronicle.

At least I'll never lack an opportunity to say "Bleed you filth!"


Huh?

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Multiple hits from a wounding weapon increase the bleed damage.

Not 'the same' wounding weapon. Why would you think different wounding weapons wouldn't stack?


_Ozy_ wrote:

Huh?

Quote:
Multiple hits from a wounding weapon increase the bleed damage.
Not 'the same' wounding weapon. Why would you think different wounding weapons wouldn't stack?

It could be interpreted that way since it doesn't say "Multiple hits from wounding weapons"

I believe he is referencing this bit:

PFSRD wrote:
Bleed effects do not stack with each other unless they deal different kinds of damage. When two or more bleed effects deal the same kind of damage, take the worse effect.

I'm inclined to say they stack as the description says they do, like you point out Ozy. This isn't for PFS either, so I don't have to worry much.


Because it says "multiple hits from a wounding weapon," not "multiple hits from wounding weapons?"


Yay for the English language and its ambiguity!


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Helpful Harry wrote:
Because it says "multiple hits from a wounding weapon," not "multiple hits from wounding weapons?"

There is no practical difference between the two.

I hit with wounding weapon #1, it's 'a' wounding weapon, so it will stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon.

I hit with wounding weapon #2, it's 'a' wounding weapon, so it will stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon. Is wounding weapon #1 'a' wounding weapon? Yes. Therefore bleed damage from #2 will stack with bleed damage from #1.

To prevent stacking, the wording would have to be as I indicated previously, "multiple hits from 'the same' wounding weapon stack"


_Ozy_ wrote:
Helpful Harry wrote:
Because it says "multiple hits from a wounding weapon," not "multiple hits from wounding weapons?"

There is no practical difference between the two.

I hit with wounding weapon #1, it's 'a' wounding weapon, so it will stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon.

I hit with wounding weapon #2, it's 'a' wounding weapon, so it will stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon. Is wounding weapon #1 'a' wounding weapon? Yes. Therefore bleed damage from #2 will stack with bleed damage from #1.

To prevent stacking, the wording would have to be as I indicated previously, "multiple hits from 'the same' wounding weapon stack"

Just to play devil's advocate...

Quote:
I hit with wounding weapon #2, it's 'a different' wounding weapon, so it won't stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon. Therefore bleed damage from #2 will not stack with bleed damage from #1.


Helpful Harry wrote:
_Ozy_ wrote:
Helpful Harry wrote:
Because it says "multiple hits from a wounding weapon," not "multiple hits from wounding weapons?"

There is no practical difference between the two.

I hit with wounding weapon #1, it's 'a' wounding weapon, so it will stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon.

I hit with wounding weapon #2, it's 'a' wounding weapon, so it will stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon. Is wounding weapon #1 'a' wounding weapon? Yes. Therefore bleed damage from #2 will stack with bleed damage from #1.

To prevent stacking, the wording would have to be as I indicated previously, "multiple hits from 'the same' wounding weapon stack"

Just to play devil's advocate...

Quote:
I hit with wounding weapon #2, it's 'a different' wounding weapon, so it won't stack with hits from 'a' wounding weapon. Therefore bleed damage from #2 will not stack with bleed damage from #1.

'a different' wounding weapon is still 'a' wounding weapon, is it not?

If I say "Do you have 'a' car", and you say: "No, I have 'a blue' car", is it not still 'a' car?

Therefore since it satisfies 'a' wounding weapon, it stacks.

Once again, the only way it wouldn't stack is if the words said 'bleed damage from the same wounding weapon stacks'.

But, the rules don't say that.


However same effects from different sources do not stack. Otherwise having a bunch of shields would skyrocket your AC.


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K-kun the Insane wrote:
However same effects from different sources do not stack. Otherwise having a bunch of shields would skyrocket your AC.

Unless they specifically say they stack...like wounding weapons.


Plausible Pseudonym wrote:
No, by default bleed effects don't stack with other bleed effects. Those that do call it out. Like the Vigilante Warlock archetype bleed attack.

Warlock's don't get a bleed effect. I think you meant to write Cabalist, but I don't see any text explicitly saying that the bleed effects stack.

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