Lizardfolk legal for play?


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Sovereign Court 4/5

I have a friend who is asking if they can play a lizardfolk in PFS, and the only thing I am seeing the Naga Ji, is that the case or are they able to play a straight up lizardfolk race?


This would be better in the PFS specific section, but the short answer is:"No, they are not PFS legal as they are found in chapter 4 of the Advanced Race Guide, which is explicitly not allowed as per the PFS additional Ressources."

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Race Guide

To create an aasimar, changeling, dhampir, fetchling, grippli, goblin, ifrit, oread, ratfolk, samsaran, suli, sylph, tiefling, vanara, or vishkanya character, you must have a Chronicle sheet that opens the race as a legal option at character creation. Aasimars and tieflings that were created and had at least one xp applied before August 14, 2014, remain legal for play. The boon restriction to create a kitsune, nagaji, and wayang was removed at the start of Season 6 and all three are now available for open creation. The boon restriction to create ifrits, oreads, sylphs, and undines was removed at the start of Season 8, and all four are now freely available.
[...]

Nothing in Chapter 4 is legal for play.

Sovereign Court 4/5

Thanks, I was looking but I guess I overlooked the chapter 4 not legal section


That particular race, and the other montrous races found in Chapter 4 of the ARG (as well as a few from Chapter 2 and 3) have been deemed not legal for PFS (not even with a boon) for varied reason. And unless they are deemed essential or thematic for the Season (which starts in August), I seriously doubt they will be made legal any time soon.

So for now your friend is limited to:
1) All 6 core races;
2) Ifrit, Kitsune,Nagaji, oread, Suli, Sylph, tengu, Undine or wayang are now legal;
3) Pre- Aug 14th, 2014 Aasimar or tiefling with 1 XP;

4) You'll need a special boon to create a aasimar, android, catfolk, changeling, dhampir, fetchling, goblin, grippli, ratfolk, samsaran, skinwalker, tiefling, vanara, or vishkanya.

That's one of the downside of PFS, the rules are pretty inflexible and they won't make change mid-season.

5/5 ⦵⦵⦵

saurian shaman druid is another way to get your kickssssss for flavor.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starfinder Superscriber

Wait, somebody has an android boon?

Sczarni 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Connecticut—Manchester aka Cpt_kirstov

rknop wrote:
Wait, somebody has an android boon?

It was a Gencon Charity Auction boon - there is only one of them

Scarab Sages 2/5

rknop wrote:
Wait, somebody has an android boon?

She isn't opposed to trading it, last I heard.

Silver Crusade

Andre Roy wrote:


2) Ifrit, Kitsune,Nagaji, oread, Suli, Sylph, tengu, Undine or wayang are now legal;
...
4) You'll need a special boon to create a aasimar, android, catfolk, changeling, dhampir, fetchling, goblin, grippli, ratfolk, samsaran, skinwalker, tiefling, vanara, or vishkanya.

Pretty sure you still need a boon (or 4) for a Suli character.


Ajaxis wrote:
Andre Roy wrote:


2) Ifrit, Kitsune,Nagaji, oread, Suli, Sylph, tengu, Undine or wayang are now legal;
...
4) You'll need a special boon to create a aasimar, android, catfolk, changeling, dhampir, fetchling, goblin, grippli, ratfolk, samsaran, skinwalker, tiefling, vanara, or vishkanya.
Pretty sure you still need a boon (or 4) for a Suli character.

You might be right, I did my best to check the sources, but it's possible that I've misclassified a race or two.

But I think that, for the most part, I got them right.

5/5

Anything like lizardfolk with racial HD would need some serious adjustments to be playable. Lizardfolk's +5 natural armor is pretty extreme as well. There's ways, but it adds a lot of complications.

Liberty's Edge 5/5

Starfinder Superscriber

Yes, you still need a boon for a Suli character.

Re: Lizardfolk, there is a non-OP version on page 226 of the ARG (in the "race builder" chapter). It's not a full writeup, but if for story reasons they ever decide to issue lizardfolk boons, it's something that could be used as a basis.

Re: android boon... if there's just one, I'm guessing that it will be traded for something pretty huge! Like, say, a catfolk boon... of which there is also just one.


Is there a Ghoran boon...? Ah, so many cool races that are hard to get access to...

Dark Archive

Davia D wrote:
Is there a Ghoran boon...? Ah, so many cool races that are hard to get access to...

nope..not yet


Ajaxis wrote:
Andre Roy wrote:


2) Ifrit, Kitsune,Nagaji, oread, Suli, Sylph, tengu, Undine or wayang are now legal;
...
4) You'll need a special boon to create a aasimar, android, catfolk, changeling, dhampir, fetchling, goblin, grippli, ratfolk, samsaran, skinwalker, tiefling, vanara, or vishkanya.
Pretty sure you still need a boon (or 4) for a Suli character.

You need all four elemental planetouched boons for a Suli character.


Belabras wrote:
rknop wrote:
Wait, somebody has an android boon?
She isn't opposed to trading it, last I heard.

You'll have to open that wallet deeply, I heard the winning bid was well in the four digit range.

Silver Crusade

Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Ajaxis wrote:
Andre Roy wrote:


2) Ifrit, Kitsune,Nagaji, oread, Suli, Sylph, tengu, Undine or wayang are now legal;
...
4) You'll need a special boon to create a aasimar, android, catfolk, changeling, dhampir, fetchling, goblin, grippli, ratfolk, samsaran, skinwalker, tiefling, vanara, or vishkanya.
Pretty sure you still need a boon (or 4) for a Suli character.
You need all four elemental planetouched boons for a Suli character.

No, there's actually a single suli boon. I think it was the quarterly boon for GMing at conventions last summer, during the quarter before Gen Con.

Dark Archive 5/5

Fromper wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Ajaxis wrote:
Andre Roy wrote:


2) Ifrit, Kitsune,Nagaji, oread, Suli, Sylph, tengu, Undine or wayang are now legal;
...
4) You'll need a special boon to create a aasimar, android, catfolk, changeling, dhampir, fetchling, goblin, grippli, ratfolk, samsaran, skinwalker, tiefling, vanara, or vishkanya.
Pretty sure you still need a boon (or 4) for a Suli character.
You need all four elemental planetouched boons for a Suli character.
No, there's actually a single suli boon. I think it was the quarterly boon for GMing at conventions last summer, during the quarter before Gen Con.

If you have the Suli boon and the four elemental planetouched boons (with at least one having the 'combine for a Suli' language), you can combine all five boons to make a super Suli. This is so that people who spend the time and effort to build the Suli are still able to get something special, instead of just feeling like they wasted all that effort to be replaced by a single, more easily attainable boon.


What's the advantage of the combined boons?

Shadow Lodge 4/5

You get to pick from a list of extra racial abilities cobbled together from the ifrit, oread, sylph undine sections of ARG. They are mostly caster-oriented e.g. Air Affinity & Fertile Soil.

Shadow Lodge 5/5

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Belabras wrote:
rknop wrote:
Wait, somebody has an android boon?
She isn't opposed to trading it, last I heard.
You'll have to open that wallet deeply, I heard the winning bid was well in the four digit range.

HE isn't willing to trade, and in fact has already played it quite a bit. Last I heard he was mid-high level. And it wasn't 4 digits, only 3, though much closer to 4 than 2. (The winner was one of my VLs... although he still hasn't played it at one of my tables like I told him he had to...)

Sovereign Court 4/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Texas—Houston South aka Lord Valstaff

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Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Belabras wrote:
rknop wrote:
Wait, somebody has an android boon?
She isn't opposed to trading it, last I heard.
You'll have to open that wallet deeply, I heard the winning bid was well in the four digit range.
HE isn't willing to trade, and in fact has already played it quite a bit. Last I heard he was mid-high level. And it wasn't 4 digits, only 3, though much closer to 4 than 2. (The winner was one of my VLs... although he still hasn't played it at one of my tables like I told him he had to...)

There is another android charity boon from 2016, and She hasn't used the boon last i recall. She is a local in my district. I can tell you if the trade is good enough she would part with it.

The Exchange 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Belafon

Jordan Agudelo wrote:
Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Belabras wrote:
rknop wrote:
Wait, somebody has an android boon?
She isn't opposed to trading it, last I heard.
You'll have to open that wallet deeply, I heard the winning bid was well in the four digit range.
HE isn't willing to trade, and in fact has already played it quite a bit. Last I heard he was mid-high level. And it wasn't 4 digits, only 3, though much closer to 4 than 2. (The winner was one of my VLs... although he still hasn't played it at one of my tables like I told him he had to...)
There is another android charity boon from 2016, and She hasn't used the boon last i recall. She is a local in my district. I can tell you if the trade is good enough she would part with it.

Sigh. Now I have to pull out my inch-thick stack of boons and see if any of them (or combination thereof) are actually good enough to catch an Android's eye.

Liberty's Edge 5/5 Venture-Lieutenant, Alaska—Anchorage aka Dragnmoon

Kevin Willis wrote:
Sigh. Now I have to pull out my inch-thick stack of boons and see if any of them (or combination thereof) are actually good enough to catch an Android's eye.

I would trade all 67 of my unused boons for an android. And there is some good stuff there.

The Exchange 5/5 Venture-Agent, Kentucky—Lexington

Steven Lau wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Sigh. Now I have to pull out my inch-thick stack of boons and see if any of them (or combination thereof) are actually good enough to catch an Android's eye.
I would trade all 67 of my unused boons for an android. And there is some good stuff there.

I'd trade my stack of race boons and others for a Glutton for Punishment boon!

Shadow Lodge 5/5

Huh, hadn't heard they released another one. Thought they were so supposed to be unique for several years.


Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Huh, hadn't heard they released another one. Thought they were so supposed to be unique for several years.

A total count of 2 still means they're mighty mighty rare. :)

Silver Crusade 5/5 Venture-Captain, Pennsylvania—Pittsburgh aka Korolan

Eric Clingenpeel wrote:
Huh, hadn't heard they released another one. Thought they were so supposed to be unique for several years.

The first one was a Charity Boon at the beginning of Season 6. The second on at the beginning of Season 8.

So maybe not Several years, but 2!


James Risner wrote:
Steven Lau wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:
Sigh. Now I have to pull out my inch-thick stack of boons and see if any of them (or combination thereof) are actually good enough to catch an Android's eye.
I would trade all 67 of my unused boons for an android. And there is some good stuff there.
I'd trade my stack of race boons and others for a Glutton for Punishment boon!

Unless those boons are colored green, there will probably be a major lack of interest.

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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:


Unless those boons are colored green, there will probably be a major lack of interest.

And that sort of flies *against* the idea of a community-building item, turning it into 'Pay2Win'.

I had a fresh one, but due to a scarcity of players at cons in my region it's filling up pretty quickly, and then there's been a handful of tables I've been requested at but I don't have GM stars because of above situation with players and RL obligations.

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