Mounted whirlwind charge shennigans


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Question 1

Lets say I combine 1 level of sohei monk to nab mounted skirmisher with a cavalier and I finish the chain for whirlwind attack (Dex 13, Int 13, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Mobility, Spring Attack, base attack bonus +4)

Mounted skirmisher
Benefit: If your mount moves its speed or less, you can still take a full-attack action.
Normal: If your mount moves more than 5 feet, you can only take an attack action.

Whirlwind attack
Benefit: When you use the full-attack action, you can give up your regular attacks and instead make one melee attack at your highest base attack bonus against each opponent within reach. You must make a separate attack roll against each opponent.
When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you also forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities.

Can I combine and whirlwind attack at the end of a charge ?

Question 2 (only relevant if question 1 holds true)
If I am using a lance do I get the double weapon dam against every opponent or only on the first.

Question 3 (only relevant if question 1 holds true) let say I manage to fulfill the requirements for Gorum's swordmanship DFT (not so easy because it would also entail aligment changing from the initial sohei monk, but I am theorycrafting because hey fun stuff)... Can I use Gorums swordmanship on this whirlwind attack ?

Question 4 (maybe the most exploitative...)(Again only relevant if question 1 holds true) Let say I combine my build with a rogue scout to get scouts charge... Are all my targets flat footed and prone to me Sap mastering them the shizzle out of them or just a single target


1: No, a charge is a different action and both you and your mount have to take the charge action to use it. You can just have your mount move then take your full attack which can be a whirlwind attack.

2: Not relevant, but lance charge double damage applies only on the first attack.

3, 4: not relevant, I can't remember and I can't be bothered looking them up.


This sounds interesting. Could you do the whirlwind attack as your mount moves, and hit everything that it walks past?


avr wrote:

1: No, a charge is a different action and both you and your mount have to take the charge action to use it. You can just have your mount move then take your full attack which can be a whirlwind attack.

My mount takes the charge action (full round action) one attack
I take the charge action (full round action)

Attacking on a Charge

After moving, you may make a single melee attack. You get a +2 bonus on the attack roll and take a –2 penalty to your AC until the start of your next turn.

My interpretation was that the mounted skirmisher specifically modifies the normal restriction of a single melee attack to a full attack action (provided my mount moved its speed or less) and if I get the right to a full attack action I can sub it for a whirlwind attack


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An attack action is not the same as the single melee attack that a charge action gets you. Mounted skirmisher doesn't change all single melee attacks to full attacks.


1) No, if your mount charges you are charging. Charge and Whirlwind are different actions.
While they are both Full Round Actions one is the action called "Charge" and the other is the action called "Full-Attack".

2) Only the first even if you have some ability such as Pounce.

3) If you are going to bring up an obscure ability please provide the citation so we don't have to hunt for it.

4) Assuming you have a means to make a charge and make multiple attacks (such as Pounce) you can use Scout's charge on multiple attacks.


avr wrote:
An attack action is not the same as the single melee attack that a charge action gets you. Mounted skirmisher doesn't change all single melee attacks to full attacks.

Yes, I see that now. Thanks

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