For example, if there are any Kushiel's Legacy fans ...And, weirdly, so did the Dresden Files. What can I say - our inspirations were many and varied.Sold!
Oh, I nearly forgot - if you're a fan of Kushiel's Legacy, then one of our Empyreal Lords might look a bit familiar.
Edit: Moreso if you know your Jewish mysticism.
I have seen a lot of thees books.
Most of them skip one or more important features;
a Roguish Courtesan and Magical Courtesan, and Divine Courtesan NPC classes. The followers you really wanted but were afraid to ask for.
a Haremmancer base class
an Exalted Pervert (Ride into town bareback into town on a unicorn, seduce the wench and have your way with her, while still mounted on the symbol of virginity, be protected by a sanctuary spells even though your actions would normally break them, sexy summoned creature that summon themselves to protect you)
spells for
sumptuous feasts
allowing overindulgence without consequences
creating any liquids (wine, milk, blood. hot chocolate, and various miscellaneous ones)
permanently altering unnamed body parts
summoning a base haremette
summoning a group of haremettes
summoning a haremette that gets better with your level
summoning a group of haremettes that gets better with your level
Summon a sexy maid or servant
summon a group of sexy maids ore servants
Summon a sexy maid or servant that gets better with each level
Summon a group of sexy maids or servants that get better with each level
summon that master craftsman or muse
If you include measurement system
realistic, fantasy, cartoonish and ridiculous cartoonish and don't forget the gawd awful and a warning why it shouldn't really be used but someone's going to want it anyways.
permanent extra dimensional spaces
eternal and life long youth
making a follower out of your dreams and or imagination to fill your leadership spots
changing that unborn embryo into a fully grown aware haremette, soldier or servant.
turning that plot of land that is much bigger on the inside borders
then it is on the outside
summoning a refection of yourself or another being to join in some fun.
summoning a fully created opulate room to add to your lair, or expanding a previously exuding one
fill that tree with newly created dryads(they may wander off but you you can refill it again)
make that pond full of newly created nymphs(they may wander off but you can refill it again)
summon that quartet (the diva, the succubus. the genie. and the nymph for some natural fun that may be naughty and nice that you always wished for)
Latex Armor
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I imagine most of those features are skipped for a good reason.
Weee-ell...
I dare say we could have some of these.
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Oh various gods and goddesses above and below please no latex armor. Or bikini armor.
Besides, we've already got glamered armour for that.
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He considered it, as a joke, that he didn't even go through with.
No bikini armor. Fancy bikini wondrous item? Sure.
But actual armor? No, because it's not f~!!ing armor.
"we already have haramaki armor anyway"
Haramaki is actual armor that you wear around your stomach, not nipple pasties.
"You shouldn't have to pay an extra 2,700 gp just to wear bikini armor "
You do if you want it to be actual f!!&ing armor.
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No bikini armor. Sorry. We tried to be REALISTICALLY fantasy sexy.
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I have seen a lot of thees books.
Most of them skip one or more important features;
a Roguish Courtesan and Magical Courtesan, and Divine Courtesan NPC classes. The followers you really wanted but were afraid to ask for.
We have core class archetypes that cover all of those for PC level classes (bard, cleric, rogue - to name a few).
As far as NPC classes - you don't really need a unique one for that. Your basic Expert or Adept will fulfill that role just fine with the right feats and (in the case of the adept) spells.
a Haremmancer base class
Got it. It's in the stretch goals (Advanced Player Guide classes), but we have a summoner Eidolon type (and summoner archetype) for that.
an Exalted Pervert (Ride into town bareback into town on a unicorn, seduce the wench and have your way with her, while still mounted on the symbol of virginity, be protected by a sanctuary spells even though your actions would normally break them, sexy summoned creature that summon themselves to protect you)
Um... not sure how to respond to that one. Although, to be honest, a vanilla Paladin can do most of that (Unicorn mount, good seduction skills, sanctuary spell) so long as said Paladin was upfront about intents and didn't do anything against anyone's will.
We do have a sidebar discussing Paladin codes and seduction, if that helps.
spells for
sumptuous feasts
The Core book has that. It's called Heroes' Feast. :p
We specifically tried to avoid reinventing the wheel. When a spell already exists, we didn't feel the need to change it. We do have a section on how Core spells interact with sex and romance, if that helps.
allowing overindulgence without consequences
creating any liquids (wine, milk, blood. hot chocolate, and various miscellaneous ones)
Again, see above. Plenty of spells to deal with both already exist.
permanently altering unnamed body parts
Polymorph. We have a whole section in the aformentioned bit on Core spells about the uses of the polymorph subschool.
summoning a base haremette
The aforementioned new Eidolon type.
summoning a group of haremettes
summoning a haremette that gets better with your level
summoning a group of haremettes that gets better with your level
Ditto.
Summon a sexy maid or servant
summon a group of sexy maids ore servants
Summon a sexy maid or servant that gets better with each level
Summon a group of sexy maids or servants that get better with each levelsummon that master craftsman or muse
Ditto. The Harem Eidolon and related archetype are all about being a summoner who summons humanoid skill-using Eidolons. What skills you choose to teach your Eidolon are up to you.
Which is what makes this archetype useful in non-sexual games. Want to be a summoner who can summon Blacksmiths at will? You can do that. Staff a small business with a class feature? Go ahead.
If you include measurement system
realistic, fantasy, cartoonish and ridiculous cartoonish and don't forget the gawd awful and a warning why it shouldn't really be used but someone's going to want it anyways.
We do not. The seventh stat is what killed the Book of Erotic Fantasy for a lot of GMs, so we avoid that entirely. What you look like is up to you.
That said, and as in real life, actual looks matter less than how you use them. Queen Cleopatra was homely looking, but she is one of histories most skilled seductresses. That's a high Charisma in action.
permanent extra dimensional spaces
Bag of Holding. Portable Hole.
eternal and life long youth
I'm pretty sure that one is in either the APG or Ultimate Magic. Can't remember the name off the top of my head.
making a follower out of your dreams and or imagination to fill your leadership spots
Don't have that one. However, there is an archetype that allows the character to turn into someone else's fantasy lover.
changing that unborn embryo into a fully grown aware haremette, soldier or servant.
Um, no. That's hitting consent issues. And possibly a few other things. So no.
turning that plot of land that is much bigger on the inside borders
then it is on the outside
I don't see how a TARDIS relates to love, sex, and romance... aside from the Doctor being dreamy.
summoning a refection of yourself or another being to join in some fun.
Not that exactly, but there are several spells that allow one to summon a sex partner. Depending on the spell, this can have some dire consequences.
summoning a fully created opulate room to add to your lair, or expanding a previously exuding one
Again, pretty sure that spell is already in the SRD.
fill that tree with newly created dryads(they may wander off but you you can refill it again)...
Again, no - that sounds like a consent issue to me.
On the other hand, we do have an archetype that specifically interacts with Fey. The nature of that interaction could be seducing dryads, if one was so inclined, but they'd be the normal naturally occurring dryads who are already adults and can give consent.
....
You know, looking back, I'm slightly worried that this was a joke post. Ah well.
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Oh various gods and goddesses above and below please no latex armor. Or bikini armor.Besides, we've already got glamered armour for that.
This right here.
As noted in my last post, we tried to avoid reinventing the wheel. If something in the SRD would already handle a sexy thing if used in a sexy manner, then we let the existing ability handle it. Glamered is an excellent example of that.
For that reason, we actually ended up with very few magic items. A few specific ones got created, but by and large there wasn't any need for lots of unique magic items when basic abilities like Glamered exist.
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I disagree; if Erik Mona was considering bikini armor for Red Sonja - and if we already have haramaki armor anyway - then bikini armor should be in! You shouldn't have to pay an extra 2,700 gp just to wear bikini armor unless you want it to function like something heavier.
There have been a bunch of comments above as to why bikini armor just doesn't work.
However, for those inclined towards wearing bikinis, or less, we do have a number of archetypes that work best wearing no armor (similar to the monk). There's no reason such a character couldn't choose to wear a normal bikini.
The "belly warmer sash" is actual real world armor. Bikini armor is f*!*ing stupid and unprotective, it fails completely at the actual armor.Bikini armor is "real world armor" - in that it exists in the real world - as well. It's not at all stupid, just impractical, since it protects the areas it covers; it's just that those areas aren't typically targeted. You could say that it doesn't protect them very well, and that's true, but that's a viable interpretation of what a low armor bonus is supposed to convey.
Moreover, the "real world" has no place being cited as an absolute arbiter of anything in a fantasy game. You can't swan dive off of a cliff into molten lava and walk out of it alive in the real world either. "Realism as determinism" is simply poor reasoning where Pathfinder is concerned.
In the Snarfquest RPG book (based on the old Dragon Magazine comic) They had rules for bikini Armour. It provided a "Armor" bonus equal the the wear's Cha score rather it was positive or negative. So if you had a 9 Cha you would have a +1, if you had a 12 Cha you would have a +1.
There you now have rules for armor bikinis now go have fun.
It's also fun to point out the foolishness of people saying "that thing I don't like is badwrongfun!" :)
There's no foolishness is calling out useless chauvinism.
Now now, both of you. Be nice. We all have fun our own way.
To Rysky: Sex positive third wave feminism tells us not to slut-shame, so don't assume that there's no woman who wants to wear a bikini into combat. While it may have been born of the male gaze, the chainmail bikini is a genre trope and we can't know who will enjoy it.
To Alzrius: However, as much as I will support the aesthetic for those who like it, as a designer I see no possible mechanical benefit to such a piece of equipment. If you like the look, great! I like my Oracle of Passion to wear a gossamer red dress into combat. However, I don't expect it to provide her any protection - she has class features for that.
Edit: Wow, I was not a moment too soon with this, was I? Everyone needs to take a step back and be respectful of one another's feelings. This is supposed to be a Sex Positive thread.
I'm not saying women (or men with battle thongs) can't be scantily clad, im saying that a bikini isn't armor. If they want to go all Red Sonja go ahead. But that isn't armor.
Yes, I absolutely agree. I can see no mechanical benefit to that item as armor (aside from magic, such as making it grant an armor bonus like bracers of armor, but again one would be better off with using Glamored armor to accomplish the same).
Bikini armor is a dumb and sexist cliche.
See, this is where I think you need to take a calm breath and a step back. Statements like that imply an insult to anyone who likes that aesthetic.
I bring this up because there are people who call the Kingdom Death aesthetic words like that, and I believe they're equally wrong to do so.
Note: I will reply to Alzrius separately. That message forthcoming.
I'm saying that just because something isn't viable in the real world doesn't mean that it's not viable in Pathfinder's game world.
True.
However, bikini armor, to my knowledge, has never been shown to work even in a fantasy world.
People are shown to wear it in artwork, but I have never once seen an image or read a story where it was actually described as functioning armor.
Like, I've seen plenty of 70s and 80s artwork with people wearing it, but never the armor taking a hit. More often than not, the warrior in question is covered in minor nicks and wounds indicating that the armor is NOT functional and merely a fashion choice.
I could be wrong - I do not have an encyclopedic knowledge of that genre of artwork. But, unlike those other tropes you mentioned which have a solid backing in fantasy literature and games, I have not seen any indication that the chainmail bikini was ever meant as serious armor and not simply fashionable armor for those who wanted to flaunt the fact that they didn't need armor (ie, people with class bonuses to AC or one sort or another).
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Zelgadas (btw, love the Slayers shout-out; that was one of the very first anime I ever discovered),
Why thank you! ^^ It is one of my old favorites as well.
I actually chose it because the original Slayers novels ran in the Japanese version of Dragon Magazine back in the day. Since Paizo handled Dragon Magazine in the US... well, it seemed appropriate.
From a purely simulationist standpoint, there's no denying that it doesn't work as functional armor per se. But that could be rationalized as being why a +1 armor bonus is such a minimal amount of protection anyway (or, alternatively, it could have a +0 bonus, which I admitted was possible previously).
Well, sure it could be +0. That's standard clothes. A cloth bikini would be +0.
I'm just saying that, from my point of view as a game designer, I don't see that little metal making a significant enough difference to warrant the +1 - just like a metal-lined headband doesn't give you a +1. In Pathfinder, the protection difference between +0 and +1 is HUGE - a full shield huge. Getting that first point of AC is really hard - it's much easier after that.
Both views are certainly viable, which makes it rather awkward when someone insists that only their point of view is correct.
Which is why I tried to calm down both sides.
Neither Margherita nor I saw such an item as providing any AC bonus (thus +0, thus regular clothes), and it is often treated as a joke item (even some of the publications you have cited treated it as a joke). Thus it was not something we put into the book.
However, since I knew that the aesthetic exists, I tried to create class features that allow people to have that same aesthetic. If your class archetype doesn't allow you to wear armor, you can wear whatever normal clothing (+0 AC) you want. If that happens to be a chainmail bikini, then fine.
And if a GM decides that a chainmail bikini grants a +1 in their world, that's fine - it's their game.
Either way, it is not my place to judge.
Edit: Whoops! Forgot something.
That said, I don't think people should be arguing about this - on either side - in the thread. Respect one another's aesthetic choices. After all, there are going to be people who do not respect this book's right to exist. Everyone here supporting this book needs to stick together, united in the common cause of getting this book funded!
Sooo... shall we get back to talking about fun things?
In addition to archetypes, we also have new selections for class features such as rage powers and rogue talents.
Some of my personal favorite rogue talents are Adept Crossdressing, Fingersmith, and Skillful Lover.
While the first is fairly obvious (effects disguise checks), the other two are a bit harder to figure out from their names alone. Anyone want to take a guess?
Not sure about Fingersmith (soooo many possible things it could be...), but Skillful Lover implies being able to use alternative skills on some checks, or something like that?
Not sure about Fingersmith (soooo many possible things it could be...), but Skillful Lover implies being able to use alternative skills on some checks, or something like that?
That is exactly right! Wow - I didn't expect people to get that one so fast.
But yes, Skillful Lover is for the rogue who wants to have some skill with sex (either for RP purposes or to make another rogue talent function) but doesn't want to invest in the skill (either due to lack of skill points or low charisma score).
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I just want to say good call on the whole chainmail bikini. One of my friends wore one to a larp. It wasn't much use at all except as eyecandy. As it turns out, most of your vitals are still exposed
Can you talk about any sort of beastiary or creatures you'll see in the book?
The Bestiary will be out just if we reach the stretch goal, so ahead!
We tried to create sex-based creatures for every type, and specifically, for every outsider race and alignment! Templates as well!
Can you talk about any sort of beastiary or creatures you'll see in the book?
I don't see why not. The Bestiary is a stretch goal, so we need to unlock it, but I'm very much hoping we do.
The CRs range from CR 1/4 to CR 30. The bulk of the monsters range between CR 3 and 9.
As far as creature types, outsiders dominate by far, but we also cover aberrations, constructs, fey, humanoids, magical beasts, monstrous humanoids, oozes, and undead.
This also includes several player races.
We also have some modified versions of existing monsters. We modified the basic Succubus to use the rules from the Book of Passion, and we also created several custom half-fiend templates with more abilities inherited from their demonic or devilish parent (our answer to Alu-Fiends).
There you go. Hope you enjoyed this slightly vague peek at what we have ready to go.
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We just hit the half-way mark to funded (3800)!
Only another 3800 to go and we can start working on Stretch goals!
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Stretch goals, huh?
Been there.
Sooo... shall we get back to talking about fun things?
In addition to archetypes, we also have new selections for class features such as rage powers and rogue talents.
Some of my personal favorite rogue talents are Adept Crossdressing, Fingersmith, and Skillful Lover.
While the first is fairly obvious (effects disguise checks), the other two are a bit harder to figure out from their names alone. Anyone want to take a guess?
Alot of ideas came up...but I don't think I can post them as it goes against the Rules...
However one of my ideas for Fingersmith has to do with massage.
I'll let you guess what the Blissful Obedience Feat does.
I'll let you guess what the Blissful Obedience Feat does.
I would guess it has to do with being the Submissive in a BDSM relationship.
Backer 60; as a hero, I don't think I'd have been able to live with myself if I hadn't at least tried to get my name in the PF BoEF. Godspeed all, I'm around if you need me.
Damn right! If you have some ideas to go along with what Will and Margherita are doing, touch base with them. You might get a few bits of writing in, too.
Note that Bite Me! Advanced Races will be a KS, too, so we haven't forgotten you. Just on the backburner a bit while I get caught up with some things.
However one of my ideas for Fingersmith has to do with massage.
Nope!
Fingersmith is a useful Rogue Talent for a charismatic rogue even in PG rated games. So if it's too dirty to describe, then that isn't it either.