Strong and / or cool ways to use MoMS Monk


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That may be a good enough reason for the Tiger feats tax. I was more thinking along the lines of if you miss too many shuriken you don't get to pounce, and they only have a 10 foot range inc, and Tiger pounce only lets you move half your speed instead of double.

BTW is there a ruling on trying to use power attack while also throwing shuriken? Is it just a thing you cannot do or does the PA bonus and penalty not apply to the shuriken?


Fortunately, half-speed on a Monk is 25' by 8, and 30' by 9. Missing probably wouldn't be that big an issue with the fairly high DEX - you're not taking a Deadly Aim penalty, you've got a +3 bonus, and if you miss you can invoke Spirit Surge. At higher levels, buying some Distance shuriken is pretty cheap when you're probably only tossing a couple per battle at most. Same goes for Seeking. At longer distances, you have the advantage of moving up and throwing a single shuriken - against a target you want to be on top of, you can then swift-move. Against a target you want to keep away from until you can pounce, you can invoke Tiger Pounce the turn after hitting with a shuriken.

Power Attack simply doesn't apply to non-melee attacks in any way; it affects melee attack rolls and melee damage rolls only.


Well guessing you have 16 dex because you are a super str build with a str belt, so if someone is 20 feet away you get -2 from range and -2 from TWF, with +3 dex +3 styles +6 bab, you have a +8 to hit when enemy AC is probably 20+. With Spirit Surge +1d6 you still have around a 50% chance to hit. A stack of 50 distance +1 shuriken helps but costs 8000 gold. You are maybe seeing my reservations? It is very cool but shuriken->move is not a guaranteed thing.

If you took Pummeling Charge you could spend the shuriken money on an AOMF and just charge 120 feet and make a full twf unarmed attack against whoever you want is all I am saying. Then the next turn stack the AOMF bonus on top of your sword enchantment?

Unrelated I did have an idea for a full MoMS that might also be amusing: combining Ascetic Style, Jabbing Style, and Panther Style. Jabbing style counts the number of times you hit someone per round, and Panther style can let you make a whole bunch of retaliation attacks per round without TWF. At high levels eventually Crane and Panther would mean you rarely get hit.

MS 1: Combat reflexes +AS
MS 2: +PS
MS 3: Panther Claw
MS 5: Panther Parry
MS 6: +JS
MS 7: Power Attack
MS 9: Dodge
MS 10: +Crane Style/Snake Style
MS 11: Mobility
MS 13: Jabbing dancer
MS 14: Wildcard=Crane Wing/Snake Sidewind
MS 15: Jabbing Master
MS 17: Dragon Style
MS 18: Wildcard=Crane Riposte/Snake Fang
MS 19: Dragon Ferocity

You basically are running around people in a circle, using Panther to stack up retaliation hits that count for Jabbing style bonuses before you stop and make one standard action attack. Two-handing a sword with PA along the way. The requirements for Jabbing Master actually help you avoid all the AoO and eventually Crane Riposte gets the Jabbing bonus if you get attacked in the same round. Eventually you also need a 5th style just for the level 20 bonus.

Edit: Actually Snake style might be just as good as Crane if you are ok with tradings some defense for more offense.


I was thinking 18DEX - 15 start, +1 at 8, +2 from stone or vest (you need 17 for TWF anyhow).

So 6 BAB, +4 DEX, +1 Spirit Boon, +3 MoMS, and presumably +2 from unarmed enhancement grants +16; -2 TWF drops it to +14. So an average roll with Spirit Surge would be 28, minus distance penalty.

Distance shuriken are 160 each, which is annoying but manageable in small batches.

It's certainly not a guaranteed hit, but I'd figure a pretty good success rate; which is often all you can hope for in combat against a strong target.

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