Customer Service Closed — Snow


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Paizo Employee Customer Service Manager

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Folks, the greater Seattle region (that includes Paizo headquarters) got a dumping of snow last night and none of the customer service team are able to make it to the office today. We apologize for the inconvience.

-sara marie


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stay safe you guys and stay warm!

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Hope everyone's okay, take care over there now please!


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Mwahahahahahahaha!!!!!

Welcome to my world!

Out of curiosity, how much is considered "a dumping" there.

Enjoy it while it lasts!

And especially, stay safe!

I used to live in Seattle, I know how incompetent the drivers can be. :-)


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That must be a lot of snow if in Seattle it is called a "dumping of snow".

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For context, this is about 2 miles from the Paizo office...

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We call that Tuesday.

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How pretty! Enjoy your wintry wonderland!


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Chris Lambertz wrote:
For context, this is about 2 miles from the Paizo office...

Pretty! Send some of that down here to Oklahoma! All we have had is a dusting--barely an inch or two all winter. Disappointing, IMO.

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I'm from Wisconsin, and while I'm always tempted to sneer at how the Seattle area panics whenever there's snow, there actually are some factors which make it a lot safer to stay in -- generally no salt because they don't want it getting into Puget Sound, tons of hills, and very little equipment for dealing with snow.

Shadow Lodge

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Phoenix would be apocalyptic if such a event occurred. But it would be worth it to see all the snowbirds suffer.


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Jessica Price wrote:
I'm from Wisconsin, and while I'm always tempted to sneer at how the Seattle area panics whenever there's snow, there actually are some factors which make it a lot safer to stay in -- generally no salt because they don't want it getting into Puget Sound, tons of hills, and very little equipment for dealing with snow.

As a fellow Cheesehead (and someone who grew up in the Kettle Moraine area) I can attest to the fact that snow + hills does not equal fun, especially when such hills also contain curves.

Nothing quite like driving down a hill where the road curves and the city has yet to get the snow removal gear through and your car decides to begin sliding to get one's heart going and wake one up.


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Jessica Price wrote:
I'm from Wisconsin, and while I'm always tempted to sneer at how the Seattle area panics whenever there's snow, there actually are some factors which make it a lot safer to stay in -- generally no salt because they don't want it getting into Puget Sound, tons of hills, and very little equipment for dealing with snow.

I can't understand Southeast Arkansas' reaction to snow. Seriously we get a forecast for like .5-1 inches and the stores become barren of all milk, eggs and bread (but lets not worry with getting bottled water or canned goods). People freak out worrying that its gonna be '73 all over again. We have more wrecks before the snow even really starts falling than once the roads are actually bad. It drives me nuts there will be a light flurry that's not even sticking to the roads and the entire highway is moving at 5mph.


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Jessica Price wrote:
I'm from Wisconsin, and while I'm always tempted to sneer at how the Seattle area panics whenever there's snow, there actually are some factors which make it a lot safer to stay in -- generally no salt because they don't want it getting into Puget Sound, tons of hills, and very little equipment for dealing with snow.

Ok, so I can understand the reason for not salting and the potential ice difficulties inherent in a hilly region. But Seattle really doesn't have enough equipment for dealing with the snow? Really? That just seems silly to me.

I live in a suburb of Philadelphia, which puts me at a latitude of approximately 39.5 degrees North. That is roughly 8 degrees SOUTH of Seattle, which means I am somewhere around 550 south of you all. I know we get those nasty Atlantic-powered snow storms over here, but how could a city that much closer to Canada be ill-prepared for snow?

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Every area has their own definition of what "too much" snow is. Some places, it's a foot; others, it's an inch.

-Skeld


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bishop083 wrote:
Jessica Price wrote:
I'm from Wisconsin, and while I'm always tempted to sneer at how the Seattle area panics whenever there's snow, there actually are some factors which make it a lot safer to stay in -- generally no salt because they don't want it getting into Puget Sound, tons of hills, and very little equipment for dealing with snow.

Ok, so I can understand the reason for not salting and the potential ice difficulties inherent in a hilly region. But Seattle really doesn't have enough equipment for dealing with the snow? Really? That just seems silly to me.

I live in a suburb of Philadelphia, which puts me at a latitude of approximately 39.5 degrees North. That is roughly 8 degrees SOUTH of Seattle, which means I am somewhere around 550 south of you all. I know we get those nasty Atlantic-powered snow storms over here, but how could a city that much closer to Canada be ill-prepared for snow?

Seattle has an average annual snow total of twelve inches. All season. This might be their only snow storm. So yeah, they aren't equipped for this sort of thing. :-)

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bishop083 wrote:
Jessica Price wrote:
I'm from Wisconsin, and while I'm always tempted to sneer at how the Seattle area panics whenever there's snow, there actually are some factors which make it a lot safer to stay in -- generally no salt because they don't want it getting into Puget Sound, tons of hills, and very little equipment for dealing with snow.

Ok, so I can understand the reason for not salting and the potential ice difficulties inherent in a hilly region. But Seattle really doesn't have enough equipment for dealing with the snow? Really? That just seems silly to me.

I live in a suburb of Philadelphia, which puts me at a latitude of approximately 39.5 degrees North. That is roughly 8 degrees SOUTH of Seattle, which means I am somewhere around 550 south of you all. I know we get those nasty Atlantic-powered snow storms over here, but how could a city that much closer to Canada be ill-prepared for snow?

Because it usually snows here MAYBE twice a year, and that's usually a dusting that's gone in a couple hours.

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Cost benefit analysis of maintaining the kind of equipment needed to deal with heavy snowfall in a light snowfall area means 'nope'.

Other areas get enough snow that it makes sense to spend that kind of money to be prepared for it.


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I bet the Winter Witches are behind this.


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So, how many inches/feat of snow did they get?

Liberty's Edge

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You should see the mess New Orleans becomes when we get snow....

NO ONE knows how to drive in the stuff.

Paizo Employee Customer Service Manager

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Yikes, this is not what I expected for this thread!

We had a very large area of effect snowstorm throughout the region. A number of things meant the snowfall of around 5-8 inches had most folks staying home.
1. We have wicked hills and winding roads.
2. Cities have few snow removal trucks/plows (we just usually don't need them as it usually doesn't snow that much and most of the time it will melt in 24-48 hours anyway)
3. We don't use chemicals/salts to protect local waterways, lakes and Puget Sound (polluting the water around here would be a major ecological & economic disaster for our state).
4. Temperatures usually hover right around freezing. Which means we have a solid base of slushy wetness that freezes into icy sheets, if you have ever hit black ice before, you know how terrifying & dangerous this is) .
5. Most people know they shouldn't be out driving, some people, especially those who have never driven in snow or are "experts" use to flat, salted or actually plowed roads, try it and quickly find them selves in trouble, making roads even more dangerous. (Some of course, do know how to drive in the snow, have AWD and go make donuts in the parking lot, but those ones are the lucky few!)

Regional differences are crazy. Sorry we're closed... hopefully we'll be back open tomorrow!

Paizo Employee Customer Service Manager

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I'm going to go ahead and close this up. I did not intend to start a debate in the CS forums about why "Seattle Shuts Down for Snow". I guess if you really want to debate this, take it to off-topic?

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