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Trump told Tea Party groups at WH if GOP health care plan dies, he will let Obamacare fail and let Dems take the blame, I'm told.

Queue up the people on the left blaming Dems right here.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

All that talk earlier about the importance of identity politics and no one did anything for International Women's Day except me and the other red?!?

F#%+in' Democrats...

I worked without pay at an inner city HIV charity.

That's what I do every week right now (social work internship), but still.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Happy deadpools favorite holiday

Explain, please.

<---- not a Deadpool buff.

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thejeff wrote:

Trump told Tea Party groups at WH if GOP health care plan dies, he will let Obamacare fail and let Dems take the blame, I'm told.

Queue up the people on the left blaming Dems right here.

That assumes that he can make Obamacare fail.

Granted, the ongoing uncertainty around its future is inherently damaging and Trump has already taken executive action to undercut it as much as possible... but it is still entirely likely that it will continue to hold up fairly well. Premium increases will be higher than they needed to be, but we probably aren't looking at total collapse during this presidential term.

Also, the entire Republican party has been running on repealing the monstrous evil that is Obamacare for the past six years. If they don't do something which they can pretend is a repeal I can't imagine even conservatives would fail to notice the hypocrisy. Besides, how exactly would that story go...

"See? We told you Obamacare was evil! See how premiums are exploding? Not our fault. You only gave us complete control of the government... so there was nothing we could do to stop it."

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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Well, propaganda and agitation are important tasks, so, good job, Citizen Dunkerson!

‘Raising up women and girls’: Kansas Citians acknowledge International Women’s Day

Although, IIRC my flyover geography, that's actually in Missouri.

Regarding flyover geography, Kansas City proper is in Missouri. Overland Park is a suburb of the city across the state line. Hence, Kansas Senators Roberts and Moran.


I don't know. All my friends without insurance complain they can't afford it and all I've ever seen over the past year or two are articles about different carriers pulling out of the exchanges.

I didn't realize Obamacare was working.


KingOfAnything wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Well, propaganda and agitation are important tasks, so, good job, Citizen Dunkerson!

‘Raising up women and girls’: Kansas Citians acknowledge International Women’s Day

Although, IIRC my flyover geography, that's actually in Missouri.

Regarding flyover geography, Kansas City proper is in Missouri. Overland Park is a suburb of the city across the state line. Hence, Kansas Senators Roberts and Moran.

Thank for the clarification, Citizen Anything.

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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I don't know. All my friends without insurance complain they can't afford it and all I've ever seen over the past year or two are articles about different carriers pulling out of the exchanges.

I didn't realize Obamacare was working.

Probably a matter of definitions;

'Working': The rate of premium increase has slowed and the number of uninsured has declined.

'Not working': Health insurance isn't cheap and not everyone is covered.


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Captain Battletoad wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Happy deadpools favorite holiday

Explain, please.

<---- not a Deadpool buff.

It's a scene from the movie that has to be seen. There is no way to do it justice given the boards rating.

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BigNorseWolf wrote:
Captain Battletoad wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Happy deadpools favorite holiday

Explain, please.

<---- not a Deadpool buff.

It's a scene from the movie that has to be seen. There is no way to do it justice given the boards rating.

Putting the terms "Deadpool" and "International Women's Day" into your search engine of choice is quite illuminating.


BigNorseWolf wrote:
Captain Battletoad wrote:
BigNorseWolf wrote:
Happy deadpools favorite holiday

Explain, please.

<---- not a Deadpool buff.

It's a scene from the movie that has to be seen. There is no way to do it justice given the boards rating.

Ah, I just looked it up. Makes... sense?


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KingOfAnything wrote:
Regarding flyover geography, Kansas City proper is in Missouri. Overland Park is a suburb of the city across the state line. Hence, Kansas Senators Roberts and Moran.

There is a Kansas City, Kansas on one side of the river, and the larger Kansas City, Missouri, on the other side. I recall the last time I was there, the whole area smelled strongly of coffee, but as it was late on a Sunday afternoon, I couldn't find a cup anywhere. The smell was apparently due to the Folgers factory. Really beautiful old brick buildings and lots of nice people.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

All that talk earlier about the importance of identity politics and no one did anything for International Women's Day except me and the other red?!?

F&$$in' Democrats...

I worked on my dad's farm while my wife and kids went fishing. Does that count?


thejeff wrote:
Knight who says Meh wrote:


Their problem is that Obamacare was essentially the republican plan. It was the republican alternative to Hillarycare in the 90s. So of course they don't have another one.

Mind you, by "Republican Plan", we actually mean the plan that Republicans used to counter more progressive alternatives. Both in the 90s and with Romneycare in Mass.

They never actually wanted any plan, even this one.

Quite a few Republicans who are objecting to Ryancare are doing so on the basis that it's not nearly cruel ENOUGH.


Fergie wrote:
KingOfAnything wrote:
Regarding flyover geography, Kansas City proper is in Missouri. Overland Park is a suburb of the city across the state line. Hence, Kansas Senators Roberts and Moran.
There is a Kansas City, Kansas on one side of the river, and the larger Kansas City, Missouri, on the other side. I recall the last time I was there, the whole area smelled strongly of coffee, but as it was late on a Sunday afternoon, I couldn't find a cup anywhere. The smell was apparently due to the Folgers factory. Really beautiful old brick buildings and lots of nice people.

My favorite smell of any city was of Milwaukee at night. The beer planet was going strong, and the whole city smelled of brownies. Downside of that was that it gave me a craving for brownies I wasn't able to satisfy.


CBDunkerson wrote:
thejeff wrote:

Trump told Tea Party groups at WH if GOP health care plan dies, he will let Obamacare fail and let Dems take the blame, I'm told.

Queue up the people on the left blaming Dems right here.

That assumes that he can make Obamacare fail.

He certainly can. One, he can refuse to fix the problems that it DOES have in the nature of premiums and insurance companies that are bailing out of the program as well as the states that refused the Medicaid expansion. Two, as noted above, he can undercut it by signing executive orders not to enforce the individual mandate.

Then he'll spin it as the inevitable failure of an Obama construction.


CBDunkerson wrote:

Probably a matter of definitions;

'Working': The rate of premium increase has slowed and the number of uninsured has declined.

'Not working': Health insurance isn't cheap and not everyone is covered.

Right. Of course, one needn't look too far to know that the actual solution is socialized medicine, but good luck getting that passed.

Meanwhile, one name I saw suggested for the House's healthcare bill -- the Pay More, Get Less Act -- is, unfortunately, sadly appropriate. Unless you're an insurance company, of course. :P


Knight who says Meh wrote:
thejeff wrote:
The Mad Comrade wrote:

Musings:

Obsessing over "Trump voters" and "why Clinton lost" 3+ months post-election is a waste of breathable air.

That is 3+ months of time flushed into the septic field spent agonizing over nothing. Nada. Squat. Zip. Zilch. Zero. By the rules of the "great game", the Democratic Party lost again.

Get this through your thick skulls, Democratic Party: you lost and have been losing because you won't ditch your 'paymasters' - who would seem to be continuing to provide funds to a pack of losers that cannot maintain even parity with "The Enemy" inserting rawrl grawrl snarl woof woof bite chomp sound effects here.

I am amused by the common refrain of "Why are we wasting time arguing about why Democrats lost?" followed immediately by "You need to accept my explanation for why you lost."
I'm more amused by the notion this thread is actually the Democratic Party planning committee.

*looks at thread title*

*looks knowingly at thread participants*

/shrug :)


Knight who says Meh wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

All that talk earlier about the importance of identity politics and no one did anything for International Women's Day except me and the other red?!?

F&$$in' Democrats...

I worked on my dad's farm while my wife and kids went fishing. Does that count?

Sure.


Lake Worth bar turning heads with controversial Trump sign

I believe that I suggested this, pre-election.

(Just looked at the date; oh well.)


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Lake Worth bar turning heads with controversial Trump sign

I believe that I suggested this, pre-election.

(Just looked at the date; oh well.)

The best part of that piece was the duo of quotes from "regular customer" Vern Johnson. A+ guy.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Lake Worth bar turning heads with controversial Trump sign

I believe that I suggested this, pre-election.

(Just looked at the date; oh well.)

Humor in bad taste is humor nonetheless, I really think the world would be a better place if more people could have a great big laugh at their, at times, sour and serious demeanor.


Kjeldorn wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Lake Worth bar turning heads with controversial Trump sign

I believe that I suggested this, pre-election.

(Just looked at the date; oh well.)

Humor in bad taste is humor nonetheless, I really think the world would be a better place if more people could have a great big laugh at their, at times, sour and serious demeanor.

Doesn't humor in bad taste still have to be humorous?


Trump loves to attach his name to a winner (or a loser that makes him money) Though he is desperately trying to prevent the GOP plan from being called Trumpcare


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Orville Redenbacher wrote:
Trump loves to attach his name to a winner (or a loser that makes him money) Though he is desperately trying to prevent the GOP plan from being called Trumpcare

I think the name that will stick is RyanCare or NoHealthCare.


I would just assume he doesn't want his name connected to "caring." Caring is for losers.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Do anything fun for Communist Women's Day?

I went on a date and she bought dinner.


Orville Redenbacher wrote:
Trump loves to attach his name to a winner (or a loser that makes him money) Though he is desperately trying to prevent the GOP plan from being called Trumpcare

Trump licenses his name out. Which means he makes money even if the product or business tanks.


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Orville Redenbacher wrote:
Trump loves to attach his name to a winner (or a loser that makes him money) Though he is desperately trying to prevent the GOP plan from being called Trumpcare
Trump licenses his name out. Which means he makes money even if the product or business tanks.

Until he tarnishes his brand so much no one wants it attached to anything.


thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Orville Redenbacher wrote:
Trump loves to attach his name to a winner (or a loser that makes him money) Though he is desperately trying to prevent the GOP plan from being called Trumpcare
Trump licenses his name out. Which means he makes money even if the product or business tanks.
Until he tarnishes his brand so much no one wants it attached to anything.

That hasn't really happened yet. No one may order Trump steaks, or go to Trump University any more, but his name is still a substantial part of his income.


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Irontruth wrote:
Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Do anything fun for Communist Women's Day?

I went on a date and she bought dinner.

My kinda date.


A SEATTLE NURSE INTERNATIONAL WOMEN’S DAY SPEECH

Comrade White came and visited us in NH once, years ago. I remember flirting with her.

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After getting his doctorate in physics in Ol' Blighty, Comrade Schluessel briefly lived in Boston before moving to Finland to get married (to a Dutch woman, I think). He's a real nerd and looks like a younger George R.R. Martin; in fact, he once wrote a joke pamphlet entitled "Something Something (I Forget) by the Committee for a Westeros International."


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Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Orville Redenbacher wrote:
Trump loves to attach his name to a winner (or a loser that makes him money) Though he is desperately trying to prevent the GOP plan from being called Trumpcare
Trump licenses his name out. Which means he makes money even if the product or business tanks.
Until he tarnishes his brand so much no one wants it attached to anything.
That hasn't really happened yet. No one may order Trump steaks, or go to Trump University any more, but his name is still a substantial part of his income.

Trump is like the Radio Shack/Kmart of billionaires; nobody knows how they stay in business.


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Pan wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
thejeff wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Orville Redenbacher wrote:
Trump loves to attach his name to a winner (or a loser that makes him money) Though he is desperately trying to prevent the GOP plan from being called Trumpcare
Trump licenses his name out. Which means he makes money even if the product or business tanks.
Until he tarnishes his brand so much no one wants it attached to anything.
That hasn't really happened yet. No one may order Trump steaks, or go to Trump University any more, but his name is still a substantial part of his income.
Trump is like the Radio Shack/Kmart of billionaires; nobody knows how they stay in business.

Running businesses into the ground, filling for bankruptcy, and accumulating foreign debt?


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On topic:

Keep doing this (from 4th March 2017). Focus on the local and state items, tailoring the party to the locale.

Time enough to mount the 2020 campaign once 2018 is wrapped up and the (D) Party knows what they're dealing with.

Although North Korea may have already flung a few nukes by then...


Since the South Korean President's dismissal was just finalized, there's a chance the successor will defy U.S. wishes and increase contact with the North. That could satiate Un's need for attention a bit longer.


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Other things aside, I do hope North and South Korea find a way to reconcile in the nearish future. ...Mind you, I'm not terribly optimistic about this actually happening, but it would be nice to see that particular conflict ended.

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"If it’s a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don’t want any phony Democratic candidates.” Truman


Rednal wrote:
Other things aside, I do hope North and South Korea find a way to reconcile in the nearish future. ...Mind you, I'm not terribly optimistic about this actually happening, but it would be nice to see that particular conflict ended.

As long as there is a fratricidal nutcase with delusions of godhood running the North, that's not likely.

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North Korea's leaders don't have any vested interest in opening themselves up to the world. They have a lot of people who have suffered under their rule and it's unlikely the South would offer them clemency. Most likely what North Korea wants is trade, a source of world goods, like American and European luxury goods for the ruling elites, but the south has an impressive high tech industry and the North would probably like to have a greater presence on the internet. I'm sure they're inspired by China's ciber warfare division and it may be a legitimate way to wage war against the US and potentially make money in the process.


What I saw on the news today suggested that the next likely president of South Korea will be Moon Jae-in, the chief of staff under the previous president at the end of the Sunshine Policy years.

That being said, I'm only posting because the removal of the South Korean president reminds me that it's been a while since I made a witch post.

Choi Soon-sil - Shaman or con artist?

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So according to the Washington Post, Donald Trump's fallibility, which is still under 50%, is higher than Hilary Clinton. Just 35% of registered voters have a favorable opinion of Clinton with 55% having an unfavorable. The majority of people hated both candidates but you'd think, considering she won the popular vote, and the fact that she hasn't been in the news lately that her unfavorable opinion would decline and some folks start feeling buyers remorse or something, causing her favorable to rise, but I'd guess from these numbers folks are blaming Hilary and maybe the DNC for Trump rather then wishing she'd won. The story suggests that this isn't unusual, they point out that Romney's favorbility dropped after the election causing him to have more unfavorable opinions then favorable, but Clinton's numbers are worse.

I'll just point out here that Bernie Sander's numbers still haven't dropped at all. People still have more of a positive than negative opinion of him. So good work DNC, you know how to tip the scales toward winner don't you?


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It seems rather pointless to continually bemoan that Bernie was not chosen by Democratic voters, much less to continue to mistakenly blame the DNC. Bernie lost by millions of votes, I know it stings to lose, but hyping up highly inaccurate conspiracy theories is the exact opposite of useful.

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Vo Giap, Ambassador of Bachuan wrote:

What I saw on the news today suggested that the next likely president of South Korea will be Moon Jae-in, the chief of staff under the previous president at the end of the Sunshine Policy years.

That being said, I'm only posting because the removal of the South Korean president reminds me that it's been a while since I made a witch post.

Choi Soon-sil - Shaman or con artist?

It's kind of a right wing thing in the US to claim to be guided by supernatural powers, most of the candidates in these past primaries claimed god told them to run for president, which can only be embarrassing for god as that many people being wrong about their wishes can only lead some to doubt there's actually any supreme being and, in fact, that it's opportunistic sociopaths exploiting people's beliefs for personal gain. I'll try to avoid saying which side of the debate I fall under.

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Squeakmaan wrote:
It seems rather pointless to continually bemoan that Bernie was not chosen by Democratic voters, much less to continue to mistakenly blame the DNC. Bernie lost by millions of votes, I know it stings to lose, but hyping up highly inaccurate conspiracy theories is the exact opposite of useful.

I know, all the DNC did was coordinate with the Clinton campaign to smear Sanders, give Clinton debate questions, conduct massive purges of voter registries prior to elections, deliberately misinform independents when they were allowed to vote in open primaries about which ballet to use, helped to spread a narrative about Bernie voters being violent/sexist/uninformed, but to be fair to the DNC they did that in secret. If it hadn't been for the "Russian hackers" none of that would have come to light. We should place our attention on the thing that cost the Democrats the election: Russians!

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Guy Humual wrote:
Squeakmaan wrote:
It seems rather pointless to continually bemoan that Bernie was not chosen by Democratic voters, much less to continue to mistakenly blame the DNC. Bernie lost by millions of votes, I know it stings to lose, but hyping up highly inaccurate conspiracy theories is the exact opposite of useful.
I know, all the DNC did was coordinate with the Clinton campaign to smear Sanders, give Clinton debate questions, conduct massive purges of voter registries prior to elections, deliberately misinform independents when they were allowed to vote in open primaries about which ballet to use, helped to spread a narrative about Bernie voters being violent/sexist/uninformed, but to be fair to the DNC they did that in secret. If it hadn't been for the "Russian hackers" none of that would have come to light. We should place our attention on the thing that cost the Democrats the election: Russians!

It's also good to remind the establishment that folks still don't want their republican lite candidates.


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Guy Humual wrote:
Vo Giap, Ambassador of Bachuan wrote:

What I saw on the news today suggested that the next likely president of South Korea will be Moon Jae-in, the chief of staff under the previous president at the end of the Sunshine Policy years.

That being said, I'm only posting because the removal of the South Korean president reminds me that it's been a while since I made a witch post.

Choi Soon-sil - Shaman or con artist?

It's kind of a right wing thing in the US to claim to be guided by supernatural powers, most of the candidates in these past primaries claimed god told them to run for president, which can only be embarrassing for god as that many people being wrong about their wishes can only lead some to doubt there's actually any supreme being and, in fact, that it's opportunistic sociopaths exploiting people's beliefs for personal gain. I'll try to avoid saying which side of the debate I fall under.

Or astrologers. Don't forget the astrologers.

But to pretend to take it more seriously for a moment, just because God wants you to run doesn't mean he wants you to win.


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Guy Humual wrote:
Squeakmaan wrote:
It seems rather pointless to continually bemoan that Bernie was not chosen by Democratic voters, much less to continue to mistakenly blame the DNC. Bernie lost by millions of votes, I know it stings to lose, but hyping up highly inaccurate conspiracy theories is the exact opposite of useful.
I know, all the DNC did was coordinate with the Clinton campaign to smear Sanders, give Clinton debate questions, conduct massive purges of voter registries prior to elections, deliberately misinform independents when they were allowed to vote in open primaries about which ballet to use, helped to spread a narrative about Bernie voters being violent/sexist/uninformed, but to be fair to the DNC they did that in secret. If it hadn't been for the "Russian hackers" none of that would have come to light. We should place our attention on the thing that cost the Democrats the election: Russians!

Just curious, can you link me to credible sources that cite any of this information? Not the e-mails, but the actual activities undertaken by the DNC that have been corroborated.

For example, the only purging of voters in a democratic primary that I can find happened in Brooklyn, where Clinton won pretty handily. It seems unlikely Clinton would have purged voters in a district that supported her strongly, unless there's evidence that they could target voters rolls with laser like precision... which given all the evidence of other polling being off, seems unlikely. Odds are, Clinton lost more voters than Sanders did in the voter roll purge, which seems like a really bad way to cheat in Clinton's favor.


Irontruth wrote:
Guy Humual wrote:
Squeakmaan wrote:
It seems rather pointless to continually bemoan that Bernie was not chosen by Democratic voters, much less to continue to mistakenly blame the DNC. Bernie lost by millions of votes, I know it stings to lose, but hyping up highly inaccurate conspiracy theories is the exact opposite of useful.
I know, all the DNC did was coordinate with the Clinton campaign to smear Sanders, give Clinton debate questions, conduct massive purges of voter registries prior to elections, deliberately misinform independents when they were allowed to vote in open primaries about which ballet to use, helped to spread a narrative about Bernie voters being violent/sexist/uninformed, but to be fair to the DNC they did that in secret. If it hadn't been for the "Russian hackers" none of that would have come to light. We should place our attention on the thing that cost the Democrats the election: Russians!
Just curious, can you link me to credible sources that cite any of this information? Not the e-mails, but the actual activities undertaken by the DNC that have been corroborated.

The debate questions thing seems solid, though whether that was more a DNC thing or a "don't hire campaign strategists as media analysts" thing is an open question.

The others? I'm not even sure most of that is in the emails. There are some suggestions about smears, but at least some of them don't seem to have been used. Edit: a lot of that read like junior staffers throwing around ideas, probably getting slapped down in emails (or more formal communications?) we didn't get to see.

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