Shield master does remove ALL penalties, maybe they weren't thinking about it when they wrote the shield champion. When you throw your shield you're making ranfed atks, so you can use deadly aim, rapid shot... With no penalties because of shield master. About the flanking i don't know what they meant
I think the shield master feat is badly worded, i'm pretty sure their intention was to remove only TWF penalties, but it covers everything, so even debuffs, shaken, blinded... Althpugh it feels a bit abusive and unrealistic, but it's all written there, i probably would still take penalties from effects, so it's up to you/your gm
But i do have a question: when the shield champion gets to deal unarmed strike dmg instead of the shield dmg, would the damage die increase due to the bashing shield property (which increases the damage die by two steps)?
The Flanking part means he can throw it at an empty square as part of his attack and use that square to determine if he is flanking with the shield attack since you can ricochet it off walls to attack from different direction. While it is not spell edout that does mean while using this ability you can flank with your shield. But only if your using the empty square you designated as a flanking spot
Also definitely ask your dm about this because most only allow you ignore two weapon fighting penalties because the alternative is broken.
Also as for the bashing enchantment the answer is no because the damage dice of the shield and the damage dice of your unarmed strike ate two diffrent thing. And this just lets you use one in place of the other. So things that effct shield damage would not work but things that affect unarmed strike damage would.
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is it a personal opinion or can you give rules examples?All penalties relates to TWF penalties and nothing more.
Flanking is only related to MeLee attacks.
Gang Up FAQ for the second.
Tons of threads for the first, but should it go to FAQ it would be as I said. Look at the feat description in the table.
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The intent of shield master is to only remove TWF penalties, though that is not how it is written.
Since flanking is restricted to melee only attacks, and you are not making a melee attack with the shield so you cannot flank or provide the benefits of flanking. You do qualify to use all of the ranged attack feats when throwing your shield. And if you have Ricochet Toss such that your weapon comes back to you after your attack, you would threaten the squares around you and provide flanking.
The intent of shield master is to only remove TWF penalties, though that is not how it is written.
Since flanking is restricted to melee only attacks, and you are not making a melee attack with the shield so you cannot flank or provide the benefits of flanking. You do qualify to use all of the ranged attack feats when throwing your shield. And if you have Ricochet Toss such that your weapon comes back to you after your attack, you would threaten the squares around you and provide flanking.
While I agree this is the base rule, doesn't the fact that the ability specifically calls out flanking while throwing the shield trump the base rule as specific beats general? Otherwise, there is no reason to mention flanking at all since it is in a rules section about throwing a shield.
Bull Rush is made as part of a charge. But because of Throw Shield, it can be made with a thrown weapon without a charge.
Why doesn't Returning Shield ignore the limitation of "melee attack" on flanking when it is specifically called out, but Throw Shield does ignore the charge limitation of Bull Rush? Thrown flanking is a main part of the Shield Champion's 17th level class ability which affects Flanking, Cover and Concealment.
Yeah, I'd say this is specific over general. You can't normally flank with a ranged attack, but with this ability you can.
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The intent of shield master is to only remove TWF penalties, though that is not how it is written.
Since flanking is restricted to melee only attacks, and you are not making a melee attack with the shield so you cannot flank or provide the benefits of flanking. You do qualify to use all of the ranged attack feats when throwing your shield. And if you have Ricochet Toss such that your weapon comes back to you after your attack, you would threaten the squares around you and provide flanking.
While I agree this is the base rule, doesn't the fact that the ability specifically calls out flanking while throwing the shield trump the base rule as specific beats general? Otherwise, there is no reason to mention flanking at all since it is in a rules section about throwing a shield.
Bull Rush is made as part of a charge. But because of Throw Shield, it can be made with a thrown weapon without a charge.
Why doesn't Returning Shield ignore the limitation of "melee attack" on flanking when it is specifically called out, but Throw Shield does ignore the charge limitation of Bull Rush? Thrown flanking is a main part of the Shield Champion's 17th level class ability which affects Flanking, Cover and Concealment.
Even if they intended it to work that way, it's not written correctly for it to work.
It says " she can treat that surface as the origin square of the attack to determine whether the target is flanked and whether the target gains a cover bonus to its AC". Ok cool. You choose the square on the side of your opponent opposite an ally. That would normally be a position for flanking. But you're making a ranged attack (with a thrown weapon) which doesn't qualify for flanking. If they had intended for flanking to work it would need to be written differently, with some sort of statement about allowing ranged flanking at all in the first place. The ability is already good because it allows you to determine the square you attack from for cover.
While I agree with you that the other probably intended for something to happen with flanking, they don't appear to have understood the rules when they wrote this.