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I love the people I game with.
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Even if I was playing a good character I'd hesitate to spend gold on bring back a clearly selfish and greedy individual. What more could he offer but more of the same, redemption/change of heart aside?
Plus, how could I? I'd have no idea where the character even was. He left on his own for Desna knows where.
Being evil, greedy, and selfish is OK, I've played some characters that were like that. But that's different from being imprudent. Even a selfish person needs to be cautious and shouldn't go solo. If he does, then he must be ready to face the consequences.
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Move on. He'll get over it.
I don't remember Assassin's Vines in a box in Hell's Vengeance.
Honestly, from where I sit, just by what you're saying, it probably seemed to him like you were targeting/baiting them.
It's probably not what happened, exactly, but you should probably clarify with them what pissed them off.
Assassin Vines can be pretty deadly. I'd say that you should definitely raise the PC if you can since then you'll be able to hold the incident over the player's head so to speak and use it as a source of comedy. Perhaps there could even be more notes and packages in the future. Explosive Runes could be useful at some point.
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I don't remember Assassin's Vines in a box in Hell's Vengeance.
Honestly, from where I sit, just by what you're saying, it probably seemed to him like you were targeting/baiting them.
It's probably not what happened, exactly, but you should probably clarify with them what pissed them off.
They might be, they might not.
Even if they were baiting him my experience is that, when it doesn't happen quite often (which happens with the wrong kind of GMs), all this baiting thing happens when the GM grows tired of a single player trying to go solo too much times, what can be an issue.I'm not saying it is the right way to deal with it, but from my experience, more often than not, when a GM baits a player to a trap that could easily be avoided if the player wasn't too individualist, it's because that player has already annoyed the GM.
Not saying this is the case, of course. It might be, it might not, as I said.
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Even if the player has annoyed the GM previously it would be better to talk to the player than to bait him into a death trap.
Even if the player has annoyed the GM previously it would be better to talk to the player than to bait him into a death trap.
Letting a player's greed hang them isn't baiting them into a death trap.
Even if the player has annoyed the GM previously it would be better to talk to the player than to bait him into a death trap.Letting a player's greed hang them isn't baiting them into a death trap.
If you know they are greedy, give them the option to unknowingly go into a death trap alone for the promise of treasure you are by definition baiting them into a death trap, the bait is the option of not sharing the treasure.
Whether you think it's okay because as you say he hung himself or not is irrelevant to whether it's a trap.
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Even if the player has annoyed the GM previously it would be better to talk to the player than to bait him into a death trap.Letting a player's greed hang them isn't baiting them into a death trap.If you know they are greedy, give them the option to unknowingly go into a death trap alone for the promise of treasure you are by definition baiting them into a death trap, the bait is the option of not sharing the treasure.
Whether you think it's okay because as you say he hung himself or not is irrelevant to whether it's a trap.
I dunno, how many redflags that it IS a trap does it require before it outweighs the bait.
1. Chelaxian baron
2. Come get this package
3. Oh yeah the package is stored in a building outside of town.
Edit: Those three things combine to screaming that its a trap in the face of anyone paying attention.
Why didn't this BARON have the package delivered he's gonna have enough minions to do so. Why does he have this stored outside of town?
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I would like to hear the players version of events. Something seems off here.
I would like to hear the players version of events. Something seems off here.
Yep, something seems wonky.
In all he got his ass kicked and crushed by 2 large assassin vines. He flips out rips his paper and walks outside and comes back 10 min later to say he's don't playing DnD. Looks like we will have to find a new host.~~~
I was like face palm you have no one to blame but your self for your own stupidity.... Does the party have to fork up the gold to raise a stupid character who went into the cave alone and got him self killed? I Honestly don't think we should. Have him roll up a new character that he can play without being stupid.
Nope. Take the self-proclaimed ex-player at his word & find somewhere else to run your game for next week. Don't discuss it with him. Don't tell him anything about the game or where/when its now hosted.
Even if the player has annoyed the GM previously it would be better to talk to the player than to bait him into a death trap.Letting a player's greed hang them isn't baiting them into a death trap.If you know they are greedy, give them the option to unknowingly go into a death trap alone for the promise of treasure you are by definition baiting them into a death trap, the bait is the option of not sharing the treasure.
Whether you think it's okay because as you say he hung himself or not is irrelevant to whether it's a trap.
I dunno, how many redflags that it IS a trap does it require before it outweighs the bait.
1. Chelaxian baron
2. Come get this package
3. Oh yeah the package is stored in a building outside of town.Edit: Those three things combine to screaming that its a trap in the face of anyone paying attention.
Why didn't this BARON have the package delivered he's gonna have enough minions to do so. Why does he have this stored outside of town?
An obvious trap is still a trap, we don't know if this is the players 1st time, we don't know what he knows about the setting, he could even be playing a 7 INT character that wouldn't pick up these things or couldn't. We only have one side of this story and even that side sounds like a rather petty trap had been laid.
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See, my PK was so much better.
Party enters dungeon, begins handling encounters. Assassin stealths through secret passages to observe PCs. Initiates death attack on sorcerer.
I figure the sorcerer has a good shot, as the assassin isn't high level. Wrong! Rolls 1 less than the DC13, and is dead.
Everyone around the table marvels at the successful death attack and makes some jokes while the rest of the party tries to pin the assassin down before he strikes again. One failed death attack on the healer and successful Perception by the barbarian, and said assassin is mashed to death.
The party continued through the dungeon until out of resources and then retreated to consider options on returning the sorcerer to life. Looking forward to how we get the player back in the game next time.
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Rage quitting is immature. 'nuff said.
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I aggree that it's definitely a trap.
Anyway, I'm not against setting traps as long as players can have some clues to realize it is a trap.
Receiving a random letter with a soul trap gem would not be right. Receiving it from a long term enemy who is a known powerful wizard who has already tried to kill you a few times... OK, you have some clues to cast detect magic on the envelope before even thinking of opening it. It's still a trap, but you should be aware. This kind of traps can be a nice way not to harm your players but to keep them aware.
What it seems is that here we have a trap that is set as a punishment, deserved or not. And the OP seems to be glad about the character's death, what makes me think there was some previous issue with the player. I'm not judging if the GM acted right or wrong, because we don't know the full story.
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I would like to hear the players version of events. Something seems off here.
Do we really care, though?
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It does seem to have the "Hey let's all point and laugh at this idiot!" type of way about the original post.
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Yeah, that's why I ignored the thread. The guy in the story sounds like he's not very good at teamwork and maybe a bit disruptive—I'm not inclined to blame the GM or whatever based on what we know—but posts like this just don't rub me the right way. They do tend to start Big Dumb Arguments, though.
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Oh yeah, I myself have a brother like that. :-)
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Definitely.
I've had 2 players die in the last 10 years. It's a lot different than having a character die.
Definitely.
I've had 2 players die in the last 10 years. It's a lot different than having a character die.
This is why confusion was indicated.
Definitely.
I've had 2 players die in the last 10 years. It's a lot different than having a character die.
I had a player die late last year. Sad, he had young kids too, it'll be a shame for them to grow up without having their Father there.
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Always good for a laugh (Warning: Swears)
Queen Victoria said it best. "I am not amused."
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I would like to hear the players version of events. Something seems off here.Do we really care, though?
All i had to see was that an ooc "you should wait for the party" was given.
If that isn't a big warning sign, the player isnt paying attention.
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BARBARIAN HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS. MOST PRESSING QUESTION AM HOW IN GREEN HECK AM BARBARIAN GETTING FLAT FOOTED?
IF ANSWER AM 'INVULNERABLE RAGER,' HOW BARBARIAN AM NOT JUST FACETANKING ALL THE VINE, THEN WITHDRAW ACTION.
WAS BARBARIAN WEARING SHIRT? THIS AM COMMON ERROR FOR ASPIRING BARBARIAN. SILLY BARBARIAN, AM NEVER NEED FOR SHIRT. ONLY CLOAK. AND GLASSES.
I would like to hear the players version of events. Something seems off here.Do we really care, though?All i had to see was that an ooc "you should wait for the party" was given.
If that isn't a big warning sign, the player isnt paying attention.
Makes me think of a player in our group. He was playing an illiterate character with zero social skills who wanted to negotiate everything on his own and even «signed» contracts he couldn't read.
There was no way our characters could know what he was doing, we only knew that he was going solo. GM never did anything to fix that (he talked to the player and told him that he had not the right character to do it but he didn't listen) so it just kept happening.We grew tired of it so one night my character cracked his mind to know what he had been doing, but he didn't have useful information as he had been doing everything wrong. I only found that he had been keeping money for himself that should have been for all the group. So I just picked the money and gave each party member their part of the share.
But it was too late to fix the investigation. I've always thought the GM should have done something about it before reaching that point because we all were punished because of the actions of a single player. We tried to talk to him so many times but he'd not listen.
We had a similar occurrence in our Paizo published campaign. A character (witch) picks up another, flies several hundred feet away to threaten him alone (he thought the PC he had abducted was stealing from the party). He runs into a BBEG + mini-boss encounter (Published campaign, mind you, so the DM didn't make it up on the spot). BBEG immediately hits him with scorching ray, with only 1 of the 3 rays hitting him for most of his total hp.
He escapes, reports what happened, so the rest of the party starts making its way on foot towards the encounter. He chooses to fly back to the boss while the party is struggling with climb checks, which had prepared an action to scorching ray again. He approached from the same direction in which he escaped, gets scorching ray'd to something like -18 hp, instantly dead. Player gets extremely upset, exclaims that he is "tired of overpowered bosses" (again, published Paizo campaign), storms out of the host's house and drives home, never to return.