So I know a similar question has already been answered about this in the FAQ, but it is important to note that this isn't about if I don't have the spell or don't reach the CL. This is about if I am not a high enough level to cast that spell level.
Summary: The rules state, "A creator can create an item at a lower caster level than her own, but never lower than the minimum level needed to cast the needed spell." My GM says that as long as it's not a create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic item, I can craft the item. I say for potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items, you need to know the spells but for everything else, you need to be able to cast spells of that level even if taking the +5 for every spell and prerequisite removed.
The Situation: After crafting a Handy Haversack as a level 5 Arcanist, I read this rule and realized I wouldn't have been able to craft it until level 10 since that is when I will gain 5th level spells, the spell level of Secret Chest, although I wouldn't need know Secret Chest. If I understood my GM correctly, taking the +5 to the DC would remove both "requirements" according to him, even though the part about spell level isn't listed under the requirements of Handy Haversack and so wouldn't be considered one of the prerequisites the rules refer to. In other words, I say the spell level is a requirement, but not a "Requirement". He says it's a "Requirement", but not required. On a side note, it you don't actually need something to complete the item, than calling it a "Requirement" is kind of a poor choice in wording, Paizo. I'd really appreciate any help in getting this sorted. Thanks!
Andrew Marlow wrote: So I know a similar question has already been answered about this in the FAQ, but it is important to note that this isn't about if I don't have the spell or don't reach the CL. This is about if I am not a high enough level to cast that spell level.
Summary: The rules state, "A creator can create an item at a lower caster level than her own, but never lower than the minimum level needed to cast the needed spell." My GM says that as long as it's not a create potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic item, I can craft the item. I say for potions, spell-trigger, or spell-completion magic items, you need to know the spells but for everything else, you need to be able to cast spells of that level even if taking the +5 for every spell and prerequisite removed.
The Situation: After crafting a Handy Haversack as a level 5 Arcanist, I read this rule and realized I wouldn't have been able to craft it until level 10 since that is when I will gain 5th level spells, the spell level of Secret Chest, although I wouldn't need know Secret Chest. If I understood my GM correctly, taking the +5 to the DC would remove both "requirements" according to him, even though the part about spell level isn't listed under the requirements of Handy Haversack and so wouldn't be considered one of the prerequisites the rules refer to. In other words, I say the spell level is a requirement, but not a "Requirement". He says it's a "Requirement", but not required. On a side note, it you don't actually need something to complete the item, than calling it a "Requirement" is kind of a poor choice in wording, Paizo. I'd really appreciate any help in getting this sorted. Thanks!
Your GM is correct, the only thing you need to craft an item is the relevant item creation feat. Any other requirement can be replaced by adding 5 to the DC. We know from the pearl of power FAQ that it is possible to craft items above your CL. As long as you can make the adjusted DC and have the feat, you can craft anything.
Unless caster level is listed under Requirements, it is not a requirement. If a spell needs CL9 to cast but CL9 is not listed, it is only +5 to do without the spell.
Since you could craft the Handy Haversack with the assistance of a caster with the spell for no additional DC, not having the CL yourself is clearly not a requirement. Merely the spell. Thus only the single +5.
Some items have required CLs not listed under Requirements. For example: armor and weapons. The needed CL is in the description of the magic item type. Armor/weapons need CL at least 3 * enhancement plus. That is part of the crafting feat's requirement and not a general crafting rule for all items.
The item's CL generally does respect spell CL to cast. But the item CL is not a requirement, and thus does not need to be met.
/cevah
Thanks. Yeah, I was misreading the entire thing, but I was set straight a couple of days after making this thread, so it was a bit of a waste. Thanks for the replies and sorry about not acknowledging them earlier.
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