What happened to the Old Gods?


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Whelp, there goes my "redeem Zon-Kuthon" mythic campaign idea.

Unless they make him NG in SF, and make it so that that happened, but, while that would be objectively amazing, it's not going to happen.


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Shelyn did not make the top 20. Have we confirmed that she and Zon-Kuthon survived at all? If not, they could imply an interesting story hidden in the Gap if both of these deities are completely gone and there is a new deity named Dou-Bral with Shelyn's old portfolio.


ZK made it to the new core. But we don't know anything about him, he might have Shelyn's portfolio for all we know. Wouldn't that be interesting...


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I missed that bit about Zon-Kuthon still being in the top 20. That does kill the idea of his redemption, then -- I cannot imagine him being redeemed without either reverting to his old name or taking a completely new name.

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Or Dou-Bral could have been freed and now we're dealing with original evil within...

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I could swear than in an interview somewhere it was stated that the "missing" members of the PF Core 20 still exist they are just less prominent.

I myself was saddened to see that Shelyn was dropped from the core. She is among my favorites, along with Calistria and others.


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Shelyn is already in decline in the Pathfinder era. And maybe the off-world conceptions of beauty are too alien for her to have much influence outside of Golarion. The big question for the Starfinder pantheon is what the folks on Akiton and Castrovel and other planets would prefer over the portfolios of the "missing" core 20 deities.


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David knott 242 wrote:
Shelyn is already in decline in the Pathfinder era.

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Abadar: This guy is definately NOT OUT. Even Hell has a need for money. Abadar is also the god of law and invention I believe so, yeah, machines and law / order are going to be his thing probably.

Asmodeus: I wouldn't count the Overlord of Hell out yet. If anything, he's probably adapted to the times (Pit Fiends with plasma throwers for arms anyone)? An interstellar setting has virtually limitless possibilities for both Heaven and Hell.

Calistria: Considering the Planet Castrovel will probably be a major hub of planetary activity, I'd say Calistria (and Elves as well) are still around. Keep in mind, we still have little to no idea what deities the Lashunta worship (still a bit of a sore point with me via Pathfinder).

Cayden Caliden: I cannot disagree with you more on Cayden being gone in this setting. If anything, he's probably become a god of smugglers, freelancers, and space adventurers. ^_^

Desna: I'm willing to bet this one isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Erastil: Yeah, this guy might have been reduced in strength. Maybe he's a patron to bounty hunters now? Castrovel might have significant agriculture capability now that Golarion isn't around to provide the solar system with food so, yeah, at the very least he's been reduced.

Gorum: War. War never changes! This guy's going to still be there. Mark my broadsword! :D

Gozreh: As with Erastil, a possible great reduction in power. Maybe he's more of a planetary-scale god of nature now? Either way, not every planet has oceans or a sky for that matter.

Iomedae: I agree on this, a big time buff to the Inheritor's influence. She's going to be running the show in Heaven for now I believe.

Irori: Self perfection and possible space martial arts? Yeah, this guy's still there I hope. ^_^

Lamashtu: Like Asmodeus and Hell, an infinite interstellar universe has infinite possibilities (and many of those possibilities are HORRIFIC)! This mother of monsters has probably been very busy gala vamping around the Cosmos giving birth to all sorts of god-awful horrors!

Nethys: Hmmm...I'm gonna say he's still here but possible reduced in strength due to magic's decline when faced with the rise of technology.

Norgorber: Two words. Space spies. Hell, space thieves even! Space ESPIONAGE even! And of course, let's not forget space ASSASSINS! Need I say more?

Pharasma: This one is tricky as I don't know how prevelant undead are going to be in this setting but given that Eox and the Bonesages are probably going to have some role I'd say the Lady of Graves is going to still be there.

Rovagug: Without Golarion I fail to see how the Rough Beast (and his Spawn) would influence the setting. Maybe his aspect of destruction and ruin perhaps? Yeah, he's (or rather, it's) probably gone for now.

Sarenrae: Sun goddess of healing and redemption still around? I hope so but we might be surprised as the padishah empire of kelesh is no longer around so who knows?

Shelyn: Since ol'Zony is still around I hope his sister is too and continues to act as a balancing force to Mr. Sadismo. Maybe she's become a patron to the Lashunta on Castrovel?

Torag: While I'm all about protection and strategy, as so many have pointed out, the dwarves (as well as the elves) are no longer that prominent in the setting (their both still around but lesser in number from what I'd wager). So, yeah, Torag might be a god of armored protectors devoted to defending but I don't think people have much uses for forges anymore. I could be wrong.

Urgathoa: Like a foul smell, disease is also hard to get rid of. This lady of undeath and worse might be worshiped by the denizens of Eox (along with other gods of shadow and evil [see below]).

Zon-Kuthon: Yeah, he's still around and causing pain, misery, and death wherever he goes. I just hope Shelyn still exists to thwart some of his plots and schemes.


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Abadar: This guy is definately NOT OUT. Even Hell has a need for money. Abadar is also the god of law and invention I believe so, yeah, machines and law / order are going to be his thing probably.

Confirmed as being present.

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Asmodeus: I wouldn't count the Overlord of Hell out yet. If anything, he's probably adapted to the times (Pit Fiends with plasma throwers for arms anyone)? An interstellar setting has virtually limitless possibilities for both Heaven and Hell.

Not confirmed. I'm rather amused by the thought that maybe he made a deal too far.

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Calistria: Considering the Planet Castrovel will probably be a major hub of planetary activity, I'd say Calistria (and Elves as well) are still around. Keep in mind, we still have little to no idea what deities the Lashunta worship (still a bit of a sore point with me via Pathfinder).

Not confirmed. The de-emphasis of elves means she's probably around but not as prominent on a macro-level.

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Cayden Caliden: I cannot disagree with you more on Cayden being gone in this setting. If anything, he's probably become a god of smugglers, freelancers, and space adventurers.

Not confirmed, but I'm sure he is (unfortunately) still around. Unless he died taking out Asmodeus or something. I can hope.

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Desna: I'm willing to bet this one isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Confirmed. And pretty much the biggest no-brainer of the good-aligned deities.

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Erastil: Yeah, this guy might have been reduced in strength. Maybe he's a patron to bounty hunters now? Castrovel might have significant agriculture capability now that Golarion isn't around to provide the solar system with food so, yeah, at the very least he's been reduced.

Not confirmed- and a game about exploring the far reaches of space isn't a good one for a deity about staying home and raising family. I bet he's very much present, but more a faith of colonists than Starfinders. Unless Lamasthu killed him or something.

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Gorum: War. War never changes! This guy's going to still be there. Mark my broadsword! :D

Not confirmed, but safe bet he's still around in some way.

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Gozreh: As with Erastil, a possible great reduction in power. Maybe he's more of a planetary-scale god of nature now? Either way, not every planet has oceans or a sky for that matter.

Not confirmed- probably for flavor reasons. There are no winds or waves as Gozreh embodies them in the void.

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Iomedae: I agree on this, a big time buff to the Inheritor's influence. She's going to be running the show in Heaven for now I believe.

Confirmed.

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Irori: Self perfection and possible space martial arts? Yeah, this guy's still there I hope.

Not confirmed.

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Lamashtu: Like Asmodeus and Hell, an infinite interstellar universe has infinite possibilities (and many of those possibilities are HORRIFIC)! This mother of monsters has probably been very busy gala vamping around the Cosmos giving birth to all sorts of god-awful horrors!

Not confirmed.

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Nethys: Hmmm...I'm gonna say he's still here but possible reduced in strength due to magic's decline when faced with the rise of technology.

Not confirmed.

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Norgorber: Two words. Space spies. Hell, space thieves even! Space ESPIONAGE even! And of course, let's not forget space ASSASSINS! Need I say more?

Not confirmed. All According To Plan. I kinda hope they give his schtick to someone more interesting...

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Pharasma: This one is tricky as I don't know how prevelant undead are going to be in this setting but given that Eox and the Bonesages are probably going to have some role I'd say the Lady of Graves is going to still be there.

Confirmed. Undead aside, Birth and Death have gone nowhere.

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Rovagug: Without Golarion I fail to see how the Rough Beast (and his Spawn) would influence the setting. Maybe his aspect of destruction and ruin perhaps? Yeah, he's (or rather, it's) probably gone for now.

Not confirmed. Tied to Golarion. Unless that changed...

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Sarenrae: Sun goddess of healing and redemption still around? I hope so but we might be surprised as the padishah empire of kelesh is no longer around so who knows?

Confirmed. Second biggest no-brainer good deity inclusion behind Desna.

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Shelyn: Since ol'Zony is still around I hope his sister is too and continues to act as a balancing force to Mr. Sadismo. Maybe she's become a patron to the Lashunta on Castrovel?

Not confirmed. Alas.

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Torag: While I'm all about protection and strategy, as so many have pointed out, the dwarves (as well as the elves) are no longer that prominent in the setting (their both still around but lesser in number from what I'd wager). So, yeah, Torag might be a god of armored protectors devoted to defending but I don't think people have much uses for forges anymore. I could be wrong.

Not confirmed, and a frequent leader in "kinda boring" deity lists. Craftsmanship is still important, but I'd lay odds that Brigh has usurped this overall spot.

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Urgathoa: Like a foul smell, disease is also hard to get rid of. This lady of undeath and worse might be worshiped by the denizens of Eox (along with other gods of shadow and evil [see below]).

Confirmed.

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Zon-Kuthon: Yeah, he's still around and causing pain, misery, and death wherever he goes. I just hope Shelyn still exists to thwart some of his plots and schemes.

Confirmed. Biggest no-brainer evil deity for a space setting.


One important thing to keep in mind is that most deities are not focused exclusively on Golarion. They're present on other worlds and dealing with other things, too - what happens on the Cage of Rovagug is interesting, but hardly the sum of all they are. XD I don't even think they're likely to change all that much - rather, there may be a somewhat different doctrine (worship of Abadar having a bit more to do with technological advancement?), but the deities themselves are probably about the same when you get right down to it.


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Cole Deschain wrote:
Berselius wrote:
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Asmodeus: I wouldn't count the Overlord of Hell out yet. If anything, he's probably adapted to the times (Pit Fiends with plasma throwers for arms anyone)? An interstellar setting has virtually limitless possibilities for both Heaven and Hell.

Not confirmed. I'm rather amused by the thought that maybe he made a deal too far.

Actually, he was confirmed during the Twitch Q&A as returning in Starfinder, just NOT as being one of the core 20.


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I think an amusing thing would be Asmodeus being demoted to being a member of a High Committee of the Damned that directs hell, rather than being its unquestioned ruler.

The amusing part would be that, due to the Gap, he has no idea how that happened.


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I think an amusing thing would be Asmodeus being demoted to being a member of a High Committee of the Damned that directs hell, rather than being its unquestioned ruler.

The amusing part would be that, due to the Gap, he has no idea how that happened.

And a big part of his Faith would be figuring it out, lawyer style. Subpoenas, questioning, cross examination....sounds awesome.


Ventnor wrote:

I think an amusing thing would be Asmodeus being demoted to being a member of a High Committee of the Damned that directs hell, rather than being its unquestioned ruler.

The amusing part would be that, due to the Gap, he has no idea how that happened.

We don't know that the gap works on gods yet, only that they're not saying what happened to their followers. It can be inferred that the gap works across the planes as well as the material plane because it wouldn't be hard to beat the information out of an imp, but the gods are often exceptions to the rule. While the gods can't be omnipotent, they can still conceivably act on a different set of rules than other beings.


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Malefactor wrote:
David knott 242 wrote:
Shelyn is already in decline in the Pathfinder era.
[CITATION NEEDED]

Maybe I am overgeneralizing from her loss of worshipers in Sargava and a few other places. I think the Inner Sea World Guide mentions this.

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