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With the Villain Codex released I have a few questions with how Magus can make use of a feat.

Is you have Weapon Pro in a Dueling Sword, and Weapon finesse, slashing Grace you would normally lose your Dex to damage while doing spell combat.

Does having Two-weapon Grace fix that issue? Do you maintain Dex to damage even while spell combat is active. What about Spell Strike with Shocking Grasp, does this change anything?

Second question, in a home game a DM is allowing my Kensai Magus to select simple weapons as the "Chosen" weapon if I want to. If I selected Unarmed Strike, and I had taken Improved Unarmed Strike as a feat, does Canny Defense always work as I'm always armed, and as such wielding my weapon?

Third question, If I did select Unarmed Strike as a chosen weapon, and I was wielding said Dueling Sword from the previous question, and did spell combat, is my off-hand still "empty", and is it still providing me Canny Defense?


1. Presumably yes, but you do recognize that this would require A) a feat that is entirely useless for you to use, and B) a feat that has absolutely no use until you take Two-Weapon Grace? All of this additionally comes with additional feat taxes.

2. I think so? Why not just choose the the Dueling Sword?

3. Actually, yes, because Spell Combat only cares about you having an empty hand, and so an unarmed strike counts as an empty hand. But once again, why not choose the Dueling Sword? You'll rarely run into a problem where you don't have your sword, and it is hardly worth spending feats over. Or wasting proficiency access when you can get it with the Dueling Sword from Kensai.


@Garbage-Tier Waifu

First, your name is hilarious

Second, to answer your second response/question. if I was walking down the street and was jumped I wouldn't have a dueling sword at the ready, and as such would be caught without my bonus to AC from Canny Defense.

This really is more a question on mechanics and after trying to build this the amount of feats required makes it next to pointless. Thanks so much for the response.


No probs. Have fun with whatever Magus shenanigans you get up to.

Liberty's Edge

1: Yes, Two-Weapon Grace allows you to use a one-handed slashing weapon in one hand and Spell Combat treats the 'free' hand as the second weapon.

2: So long as your GM accepts unarmed strike as a 'weapon' (most should) it would work.

3: No, your off-hand is not 'empty' if you are using Spell Combat. While it isn't holding anything, the spell cast is treated as a weapon used in that hand. Thus, for example, you couldn't get Precise Strike with the dueling sword. You also couldn't make an unarmed strike attack with that hand since it is being used to cast the spell. However, you COULD make an unarmed strike with some other part of your body as part of the full attack routine part of Spell Combat (e.g. +11/+6/+1 iterative attacks mixed between dueling sword and unarmed strike).


CBDunkerson wrote:
3: No, your off-hand is not 'empty' if you are using Spell Combat. While it isn't holding anything, the spell cast is treated as a weapon used in that hand. Thus, for example, you couldn't get Precise Strike with the dueling sword.

While the spell is treated as an off-hand weapon, precise strike does not bar a weapon in the off-hand, only attacking. Even if the magus casts a touch spell, the attack is generally made with the primary hand. Other spells, e.g. Shield, are not attacks in any sense of the word.

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You also couldn't make an unarmed strike attack with that hand since it is being used to cast the spell. However, you COULD make an unarmed strike with some other part of your body as part of the full attack routine part of Spell Combat (e.g. +11/+6/+1 iterative attacks mixed between dueling sword and unarmed strike).

Correct.

Liberty's Edge

Snowlilly wrote:
While the spell is treated as an off-hand weapon, precise strike does not bar a weapon in the off-hand, only attacking. Even if the magus casts a touch spell, the attack is generally made with the primary hand. Other spells, e.g. Shield, are not attacks in any sense of the word.

I doubt many GMs would accept that interpretation.

It certainly would not work with Two-Weapon Fighting and Spell Combat is intended to be analogous to TWF. Ergo, the spell cast during Spell Combat is treated as an off-hand weapon attack... regardless of the type of spell.


CBDunkerson wrote:
Snowlilly wrote:
While the spell is treated as an off-hand weapon, precise strike does not bar a weapon in the off-hand, only attacking. Even if the magus casts a touch spell, the attack is generally made with the primary hand. Other spells, e.g. Shield, are not attacks in any sense of the word.

I doubt many GMs would accept that interpretation.

It certainly would not work with Two-Weapon Fighting and Spell Combat is intended to be analogous to TWF. Ergo, the spell cast during Spell Combat is treated as an off-hand weapon attack... regardless of the type of spell.

1. The word attack is never used

2. Weapon =/= attack
3. Spells that do not roll to hit and do not target an opponent or include an opponent in their AoE are explicitly defined elsewhere as not attacks.

Refer to Magus + Whirlwind Attack if you think I am the only one with this interpretation.

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