Standing up then taking 5 foot step


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Scarab Sages

I have seen arguments for and against this. What is Society plays rule about this?

Liberty's Edge

It's not Society, it's just Pathfinder rules. Standing up is a move *action*, like opening a door or getting a thing out of your backpack. But it's not a move, as you don't move to another square. If you haven't moved, then you can still take a 5ft step, even if you've taken move-equivalent actions. Notice on p. 183 that "Move" and "Stand up from prone" are listed as different things on the table of "Move actions".


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Standing from prone requires a move action, but does not involve movement (you don't leave your square). You may take a 5-foot step and still use a move action, so long as you don't actually move.

EDIT: From the PRD, under Move Action:

Quote:
You can take a move action in place of a standard action. If you move no actual distance in a round (commonly because you have swapped your move action for one or more equivalent actions), you can take one 5-foot step either before, during, or after the action.

Sczarni

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Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Begin round standing.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
5 foot step anywhere.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.

^ this is a regular warm up in Pathfinder Tetori school, and it can be done in one round.

The Exchange

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Nefreet wrote:

Begin round standing.

Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
5 foot step anywhere.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.

^ this is a regular warm up in Pathfinder Tetori school, and it can be done in one round.

We have a similar one at the Dragon Temple in Quain

Begin Manuever standing.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.
Swift action Ki Stand
5 Foot Step off a 30' Cliff
Slow Fall safely down 20'
Acrobatics to reduce fall by 10'
Land safely with a smile
Free action drop prone.

Also all in a single round!


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Nefreet wrote:

Begin round standing.

Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
5 foot step anywhere.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.

^ this is a regular warm up in Pathfinder Tetori school, and it can be done in one round.

I remember doing those, when I was a kid.


Is there a blue post about this? our DM was asking for. I thought I saw one somewhere, but can't find it now.


I don't think there's any other reasonable way to read it in the actual rules. Sounds like your DM just needs to reread those sections.

The Exchange Owner - D20 Hobbies

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This is specifically described in the strategy guide book if your GM refused to accept anything but something written allowing it.


Melkiador wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

Begin round standing.

Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
5 foot step anywhere.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.

^ this is a regular warm up in Pathfinder Tetori school, and it can be done in one round.

I remember doing those, when I was a kid.

I remember doing those in the military.


I think the confusion comes from "move" versus "move action". Obviously, standing up causes your body to "move", but in Pathfinder standing up is a "move action" (which really means "move-equivalent action", something that takes about the same amount of time and effort to do as walking. Counter-intuitive, yes, since strictly speaking it actually takes more work to stand than to walk, but that's the way the rules work. I used to rule this way until it was pointed out to me that the rules didn't support my interpretation.


5 foot step only has that limitation to keep you from walking up to someone, hitting them and then taking a step back. Or more abusively, taking a step back from an adjacent enemy, using a ranged or reach attack and then moving back 30 feet.


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Glorf Fei-Hung wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

Begin round standing.

Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
5 foot step anywhere.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.

^ this is a regular warm up in Pathfinder Tetori school, and it can be done in one round.

We have a similar one at the Dragon Temple in Quain

Begin Manuever standing.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.
Swift action Ki Stand
5 Foot Step off a 30' Cliff
Slow Fall safely down 20'
Acrobatics to reduce fall by 10'
Land safely with a smile
Free action drop prone.

Also all in a single round!

That's nothing compared to the kinds of things we attempt at the Academy for Experimental Physics and Scientific Studies (AEPS).

Stand in line.
Pick up rock (move action)
Pass rock (move action)
[Next person in line]
Receive rock (free action)
Readied action to pass rock (standard action)

The rock keeps getting passed along, again and again, gaining in acceleration until it finally reaches the last person in line, who then throws it at an adamantine target, which is then utterly annihilated by the rock's accumulated momentum.

With a sufficiently long line, the rock can theoretically encircle the globe in LESS than one round, or destroy virtually anything.

To say nothing of our arrowheads of total destruction that we invented years ago.

Come on you AEPS, you wanna live forever?!

Sovereign Court

Ravingdork wrote:
Glorf Fei-Hung wrote:
Nefreet wrote:

Begin round standing.

Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
5 foot step anywhere.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.

^ this is a regular warm up in Pathfinder Tetori school, and it can be done in one round.

We have a similar one at the Dragon Temple in Quain

Begin Manuever standing.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.
Move action stand up.
Free action drop prone.
Swift action Ki Stand
5 Foot Step off a 30' Cliff
Slow Fall safely down 20'
Acrobatics to reduce fall by 10'
Land safely with a smile
Free action drop prone.

Also all in a single round!

That's nothing compared to the kinds of things we attempt at the Academy for Experimental Physics and Scientific Studies (AEPS).

Stand in line.
Pick up rock (move action)
Pass rock (move action)
[Next person in line]
Receive rock (free action)
Readied action to pass rock (standard action)

The rock keeps getting passed along, again and again, gaining in acceleration until it finally reaches the last person in line, who then throws it at an adamantine target, which is then utterly annihilated by the rock's accumulated momentum.

With a sufficiently long line, the rock can theoretically encircle the globe in LESS than one round, or destroy virtually anything.

To say nothing of our arrowheads of total destruction that we invented years ago.

Come on you AEPS, you wanna live forever?!

Wait... wasn't that founded in Galt?

then it would be "Académie pour la Physique Expérimentale et les Etudes Scientifiques"

which means it's APEES...or APES...

"Come on you APES, you wanna live forever?!"

Sczarni

Starfinder Charter Superscriber

Peasant Rail Gun.

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