Just SHUT UP!...a Spell to shut up Casters


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What spells can a Arcanist/Sorcerer/Wizard cast to silence casters


There is always the lipstitch spell

And the weaker version Steal Breath

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Lipstitch

Pact wizard(wizard archetype) - Time patron - Silence.


Mister Socks wrote:

There is always the lipstitch spell

And the weaker version Steal Breath

Unfortunately I don't think either of those will be allowed by my GM (He tends to want to only use "hardbound" books, and my character is an elf)


Jason Wedel wrote:
Mister Socks wrote:

There is always the lipstitch spell

And the weaker version Steal Breath

Unfortunately I don't think either of those will be allowed by my GM (He tends to want to only use "hardbound" books, and my character is an elf)

That really limits things. "Summon Swarm" can be effective in shutting down casters.


Confusion, fear, paralysis etc. tends to make a caster unable to act normally.

Planar binding to get something with silence as an SLA.

UMD a scroll or something.

Buy and fire a hushing arrow since you're an elf and have proficiency with bows.


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A magic missile readied vs. Enemy spellcasting often forces a concentration check for being damaged during spellcasting.


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avr wrote:

Confusion, fear, paralysis etc. tends to make a caster unable to act normally.

Planar binding to get something with silence as an SLA.

UMD a scroll or something.

Buy and fire a hushing arrow since you're an elf and have proficiency with bows.

Funny thing, mommy and daddy sent me off to university, never really learned how to use those pointy things...But I sure am good at concentrating on my studies...


avr said wrote:
Buy and fire a hushing arrow since you're an elf and have proficiency with bows.

Likewise if you fear you'll miss stick yourself with the arrow, choose to fail the will save, and run up to the caster.

Or shoot it into an ally and ask them to fail the will save.
That last idea isn't actually too terrible now that I am thinking about it.


I tend to favor Call the Void with my magus.

Acid Arrow can force concentration checks for several rounds.


With a bit of help from the GM you might be able to remove someone mouth like that one scene from the Matrix with Disfiguring Touch or Bestow Curse.


Jason Wedel wrote:
Mister Socks wrote:

There is always the lipstitch spell

And the weaker version Steal Breath

Unfortunately I don't think either of those will be allowed by my GM (He tends to want to only use "hardbound" books, and my character is an elf)

Steal Breath is from the ARG, so that would qualify. It's a catfolk spell.


Is there something wrong with Silence?


Really?

Nobody is going to recommend the SILENCE spell?

Another crazy idea is, instead of trying to make the spellcaster stop casting, is to make it so that even if they do cast, that it's a futile effort. Anti-Magic Field, Spellbane, Counterspells, (Greater) Dispel Magic, and so on, are great tools for such occasions.

But of course, SILENCE is Golden...

**EDIT** Too many people taking levels in Ninja these days. When will Paizo errata them to oblivion?


Well the issue is he asked what a sorc/wiz/arcanist can do. And silence is not available to those classes.


Just a Mort wrote:
Pact wizard(wizard archetype) - Time patron - Silence.

If you hadn't noticed, they were asking for options for an arcane spellcaster.

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Oppressive Boredom/Terrible Remorse, if they fail their saves, will shut up a caster for several rounds.

Babble will prevent them from casting spells, and cause a distraction for everyone else in the vicinity.

Best way to stop a spell caster from casting spells? Spellsteal and other spells that literally strip away the caster's spells.

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Set them on fire. People taking full rounds to roll around on the ground aren't casting spells.

Burning Gaze can be used every round, does fire damage and forces a second save if damaged to not catch fire. He then spends his entire action rolling around to put it out. You look at him again.


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Mark Thomas 66 wrote:

Set them on fire. People taking full rounds to roll around on the ground aren't casting spells.

Burning Gaze can be used every round, does fire damage and forces a second save if damaged to not catch fire. He then spends his entire action rolling around to put it out. You look at him again.

Almost ... but actually you use share spells and have your familiar look at him. Bonus points for using Dazing Spell.

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avr wrote:
Mark Thomas 66 wrote:

Set them on fire. People taking full rounds to roll around on the ground aren't casting spells.

Burning Gaze can be used every round, does fire damage and forces a second save if damaged to not catch fire. He then spends his entire action rolling around to put it out. You look at him again.

Almost ... but actually you use share spells and have your familiar look at him. Bonus points for using Dazing Spell.

Fear my micro-piggy of spontaneous combustion!


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Get a wand or scroll of silence from a cleric or bard, then UMD it.

Use a prepared action to do something (magic missile, arrow, whatever) that inflicts damage exactly as the wizard is casting his next spell.

Lipstitch is such a cool spell though. Pity I avoid necromancy spells like the plague. <g>


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UMD a scroll of silence, use permanency to make it permanent on a rock. Keep rock in pouch (where it's effect is blocked due to line of effect). Take it out and throw at casters when you need to shut them down. Sure they can throw the rock or move away, but then they need to spend actions to do so.

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And wand of silence and a crossbow is a funny and painful combination that gives you quite a bit of range. Silence cast on a tanglefoot bag is just fun, what with most wizards having crappier reflex saves.

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I prefer Blindness. A blind wizard can do very little because he lacks line of sight. I used to prefer Lipstitch but sometimes the wizard manages to cut open his lips again. Blindness lasts until removed. And it's a Fortitude save, something (NPC) wizards often have trouble with.


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Be a Gnoll and throw Pugwampis at them...


Just a Mort wrote:

Lipstitch

Pact wizard(wizard archetype) - Time patron - Silence.

How funny/absurd is it that Wizards, Sorcerers and Arcanists can cast spells like Temporal Stasis, Mage's Disjunction, Plane Shift and Wish, but they can't figure out how to cast Silence?


Steal voice isn't perfect, but it is permanent until removed, so might be worthwhile for recurring NPCs/ an obnoxious PC.


Garbage-Tier Waifu wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:
Pact wizard(wizard archetype) - Time patron - Silence.
If you hadn't noticed, they were asking for options for an arcane spellcaster.

Wizard is an arcane spellcaster.

There are a lot of ways to get off-list spells. Samsaran and pull it from the Bard list. Scrolls and wands. Just A Mort's suggestion. Limited Wish. I'm sure there are others.


Wiggz wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

Lipstitch

Pact wizard(wizard archetype) - Time patron - Silence.

How funny/absurd is it that Wizards, Sorcerers and Arcanists can cast spells like Temporal Stasis, Mage's Disjunction, Plane Shift and Wish, but they can't figure out how to cast Silence?

Not very funny/absurd?

You could say the same about any lower level spell. Why would they want to be able to have it on their list when casting it could leave them as the only half-BAB d6 character with no useable features on the field? That said, they can figure out how to cast it- Limited Wish covers every off-list low-level spell at a price.

Grand Lodge

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Ascalaphus wrote:
I prefer Blindness. A blind wizard can do very little because he lacks line of sight. I used to prefer Lipstitch but sometimes the wizard manages to cut open his lips again. Blindness lasts until removed. And it's a Fortitude save, something (NPC) wizards often have trouble with.

I hit a Wizard with Blindness during a campaign, and the player just stared angrily at me. he spent the rest of the fight floating around blindly on his floating disk.


He should have prepared Dispel Magic.


Wiggz wrote:
Just a Mort wrote:

Lipstitch

Pact wizard(wizard archetype) - Time patron - Silence.

How funny/absurd is it that Wizards, Sorcerers and Arcanists can cast spells like Temporal Stasis, Mage's Disjunction, Plane Shift and Wish, but they can't figure out how to cast Silence?

That's because of the GAMING decision to leave that power as the exclusive trump card of clerics.

Believe it or not, there never has been an intention to allow sorcerers and wizards to do EVERYTHING.


Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Believe it or not, there never has been an intention to allow sorcerers and wizards to do EVERYTHING.

Wizards...can't do EVERYTHING?!?!

WE HAVE A BLASPHEMER IN OUR MIDST!

PURIFY THE NON-BELIEVER!!

BURN THE HERETIC!!!


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*throws a Pugwampi at Darksol*


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Darksol the Painbringer wrote:
Drahliana Moonrunner wrote:
Believe it or not, there never has been an intention to allow sorcerers and wizards to do EVERYTHING.

Wizards...can't do EVERYTHING?!?!

WE HAVE A BLASPHEMER IN OUR MIDST!

PURIFY THE NON-BELIEVER!!

BURN THE HERETIC!!!

I Wish...

Oh wait they can now... :)


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Step 1: Cast silence on the rogue's weapon.

Step 2: Stand back.

Step 3: Laugh.

Step 3.5: Try to ignore the bard giving you the evil eye.

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