paizo.com Recent Posts in [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!paizo.com Recent Posts in [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!2016-12-07T17:41:22Z2016-12-07T17:41:22ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!SodiumTelluridehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#162016-12-08T17:34:52Z2016-12-08T17:34:52Z<p>@Wei Ji the Learner: Interesting. I assumed Michael Hallet's math when I was working through it myself. Funny that there are multiple valid ways of getting those same stats.</p>@Wei Ji the Learner: Interesting. I assumed Michael Hallet's math when I was working through it myself. Funny that there are multiple valid ways of getting those same stats.SodiumTelluride2016-12-08T17:34:52ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Wei Ji the Learnerhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#152016-12-08T16:32:23Z2016-12-08T08:17:35Z<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>
<p>Red Metal: That's a neat idea, and it's going to be implemented soon.</p>
<p>Kate Baker: Have the pin, forgot it on the last run, good thinking!</p>
<p>Desolate: Been trying to find a hard copy that won't bankrupt me and not having much success. Call me old fashioned.</p>
<p>Nennafir: Agraic's a faithful follower of the Drunken Hero, and he carries around a keg or two to share with folks (which can sometimes be a positive modifier in social interactions, even) which he also uses as a yardstick for what a person is worth. <span class=messageboard-ooc>If a person isn't willing to share a drink with him, that's kind of damning in his eyes. Exceptions made for folks that don't drink for religious or health reasons.</span></p>
<p>Thank you for the feedback so far, still listening, still learnin'</p>[Spoiler omitted]
Red Metal: That's a neat idea, and it's going to be implemented soon.
Kate Baker: Have the pin, forgot it on the last run, good thinking!
Desolate: Been trying to find a hard copy that won't bankrupt me and not having much success. Call me old fashioned.
Nennafir: Agraic's a faithful follower of the Drunken Hero, and he carries around a keg or two to share with folks (which can sometimes be a positive modifier in social interactions, even) which he also uses as a...Wei Ji the Learner2016-12-08T08:17:35ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!nennafirhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#142016-12-07T20:38:09Z2016-12-07T20:38:09Z<p>Deific obedience Irori (just the cost of 1 feat, roleplay to change alignment to N from NG—maybe coup de grace a few enemies that you did not need to and then change your sheet) gives you +4 on all knowledge checks.</p>
<p>You could take that and just start adding to knowledges.</p>
<p>Also, if you can take another feat, extra traits will let you have +1 to some and have them be class skills.</p>
<p>If you want to go the evangelist route, you will only lose out on a 1 level of barbarian and can do foxes cunning at evangelist lvl 3. In the event you do this, maybe take retraining so that you took the evangelist levels earlier in your career. You will also need retraining to get the 3 ranks of knowledge religion.</p>Deific obedience Irori (just the cost of 1 feat, roleplay to change alignment to N from NG--maybe coup de grace a few enemies that you did not need to and then change your sheet) gives you +4 on all knowledge checks.
You could take that and just start adding to knowledges.
Also, if you can take another feat, extra traits will let you have +1 to some and have them be class skills.
If you want to go the evangelist route, you will only lose out on a 1 level of barbarian and can do foxes...nennafir2016-12-07T20:38:09ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Michael Hallethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#132016-12-07T19:04:05Z2016-12-07T19:04:05Z<p>It could have been:</p>
<p>10 pts Str 16 (+2 racial)
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3 pts Dex 13 (raised to 14 at level 4)
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17 pts Con 18
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-4 pts Int 7
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-2 pts Wis 8
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-4 pts Cha 7</p>
<p>That would equal 20 points.</p>It could have been:
10 pts Str 16 (+2 racial)
3 pts Dex 13 (raised to 14 at level 4)
17 pts Con 18
-4 pts Int 7
-2 pts Wis 8
-4 pts Cha 7
That would equal 20 points.Michael Hallet2016-12-07T19:04:05ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!supervillanhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#122016-12-07T18:50:13Z2016-12-07T18:50:13Z<p>Is that Attribute Array right? Looks like you might have gimped yourself, unless I am missing something.</p>
<p>20pt buy;</p>
<p>STR 16 +2 racial for 18 = 10pts; DEX 14 = 5pts; CON 17 (raised to 18 at level 4) = 13pts; INT 7 = -4pts; WIS 8 = -2pts; CHA 7 = -4pts.</p>
<p>TOTAL = 18pts??</p>
<p>You could have 8 INT and 4 more skill points :)</p>Is that Attribute Array right? Looks like you might have gimped yourself, unless I am missing something.
20pt buy;
STR 16 +2 racial for 18 = 10pts; DEX 14 = 5pts; CON 17 (raised to 18 at level 4) = 13pts; INT 7 = -4pts; WIS 8 = -2pts; CHA 7 = -4pts.
TOTAL = 18pts??
You could have 8 INT and 4 more skill points :)supervillan2016-12-07T18:50:13ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Kate Baker (Contributor)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#112016-12-08T08:04:07Z2016-12-07T18:05:29Z<p>You could also buy (in real life, not in the game) a Scarab Sages faction pin. This would let you make one knowledge check per scenario as though you were trained in it, with an extra d4. You still won't be able to make a very high check, but you might be able to roll the dice when no one else can, if no one had that particular knowledge trained.</p>You could also buy (in real life, not in the game) a Scarab Sages faction pin. This would let you make one knowledge check per scenario as though you were trained in it, with an extra d4. You still won't be able to make a very high check, but you might be able to roll the dice when no one else can, if no one had that particular knowledge trained.Kate Baker (Contributor)2016-12-07T18:05:29ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Niemand (alias of Azothath)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#102016-12-07T17:46:07Z2016-12-07T17:46:07Z<p>it take eght big books lashed togthir to make good readin maul on old axe handle... </p>
<p>old <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment—-final/goods-and-services/books-paper-writing-supplies#TOC-Book" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">ventures chronicleses</a> can be got fer 50 gold from old man at inher sea world market. Very expensive for book with many tiny black squiggles that help Agraic make know stuff check. Know stuff is gud. Lil munchkin say +2 fer 50 gold.</p>it take eght big books lashed togthir to make good readin maul on old axe handle...
old ventures chronicleses can be got fer 50 gold from old man at inher sea world market. Very expensive for book with many tiny black squiggles that help Agraic make know stuff check. Know stuff is gud. Lil munchkin say +2 fer 50 gold.Niemand (alias of Azothath)2016-12-07T17:46:07ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!DesolateHarmonyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#92016-12-07T17:01:48Z2016-12-07T17:01:48Z<p>Invest in Seeker of Secrets (an old book, it's available here in PDF). Inside are ioun stones, including cracked and flawed versions. A lot of them provide bonuses to skills, and some of them are quite cheap, like 200 gold pieces.</p>Invest in Seeker of Secrets (an old book, it's available here in PDF). Inside are ioun stones, including cracked and flawed versions. A lot of them provide bonuses to skills, and some of them are quite cheap, like 200 gold pieces.DesolateHarmony2016-12-07T17:01:48ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Red Metalhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#82016-12-07T16:46:36Z2016-12-07T16:46:36Z<p>Take advantage of that 18 Strength and become a walking library, lending out books to party members that can take advantage of them.</p>
<p>Pathfinder Chronicle (50 gold, Inner Sea World Guide) - Each book applies to a particular type of knowledge. If you take 1d4 rounds referencing it for a +2 circumstance bonus to an applicable knowledge check. A full set costs 500 gold, so if you just want to pick up a few to start, I'd start with the more common knowledges (Arcana, Local, Nature, Religion, maybe Planes).</p>
<p>Blue Book (5 gold, Ultimate Equipment) - Each book applies to a particular major city. If you study it for an hour, you get a +2 circumstance bonus to knowledge (local), Bluff, and Diplomacy to gather information for the next 24 hours. Having one for Absalom at the very least is probably a good idea.</p>
<p>Book of Puzzles (50 gold, Advanced Class Guide) - By spending an hour solving a puzzle (DC 10 Intelligence check) you can roll twice on a single Disable Device, Knowledge, or Sense Motive check in the next 24 hours. If you're particularly smart, you can finish the puzzle faster (-10 minutes for every 5 you beat the DC by). It only has 10 puzzles, though, so once they're all solved you'll have to buy a new book.</p>Take advantage of that 18 Strength and become a walking library, lending out books to party members that can take advantage of them.
Pathfinder Chronicle (50 gold, Inner Sea World Guide) - Each book applies to a particular type of knowledge. If you take 1d4 rounds referencing it for a +2 circumstance bonus to an applicable knowledge check. A full set costs 500 gold, so if you just want to pick up a few to start, I'd start with the more common knowledges (Arcana, Local, Nature, Religion,...Red Metal2016-12-07T16:46:36ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Agraic (alias of Wei Ji the Learner)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#72016-12-07T15:41:38Z2016-12-07T15:41:38Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Nefreet wrote:</div><blockquote> Temporarily shelve the character, start a new one, sign up to be a Tier 1 GM at GenCon, and use your GM Boon to completely rebuild your character? </blockquote><p><span class=messageboard-ooc>While an awesome community-building sort of thought, the player is not nearly as durable as he used to be, and the ensuing hospital visit from the results of such an effort would decidedly NOT be 'on the cheap'. :P </span>
<p><b>"Ah think folks 'r' misunderstandin' what I'ma tryin' t' d'. Tryin' t' help, not be th' brains of a thing. Good idea on them lenses, thinkin' of gettin' the better ones, now that y' mention it. Still listenin', other ideas welcome!"</b></p>Nefreet wrote:Temporarily shelve the character, start a new one, sign up to be a Tier 1 GM at GenCon, and use your GM Boon to completely rebuild your character?
While an awesome community-building sort of thought, the player is not nearly as durable as he used to be, and the ensuing hospital visit from the results of such an effort would decidedly NOT be 'on the cheap'. :P "Ah think folks 'r' misunderstandin' what I'ma tryin' t' d'. Tryin' t' help, not be th' brains of a thing. Good idea on...Agraic (alias of Wei Ji the Learner)2016-12-07T15:41:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Shinaehttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#62016-12-07T15:35:36Z2016-12-07T08:06:57Z<p>New Scarab Sages faction journal card allows you to use your faction journal card goals with knowledge: history and knowledge: plains. This helps a bit, but I assume you are on the old card.</p>
<p>You can also kill stuff. Helps a lot in many scenarios! And since you can carry stuff with your Str, I recommend buying some out of combat gear that can be situational, but sometimes useful, like ropes, nets, bells etc.</p>
<p>Maybe some situational level 1 wands you can borrow to your friends.</p>New Scarab Sages faction journal card allows you to use your faction journal card goals with knowledge: history and knowledge: plains. This helps a bit, but I assume you are on the old card.
You can also kill stuff. Helps a lot in many scenarios! And since you can carry stuff with your Str, I recommend buying some out of combat gear that can be situational, but sometimes useful, like ropes, nets, bells etc.
Maybe some situational level 1 wands you can borrow to your friends.Shinae2016-12-07T08:06:57ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Nefreethttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#52016-12-07T07:54:30Z2016-12-07T07:54:30Z<p>Temporarily shelve the character, start a new one, sign up to be a Tier 1 GM at GenCon, and use your GM Boon to completely rebuild your character?</p>Temporarily shelve the character, start a new one, sign up to be a Tier 1 GM at GenCon, and use your GM Boon to completely rebuild your character?Nefreet2016-12-07T07:54:30ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Chess Pwnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#42016-12-07T06:19:38Z2016-12-07T06:19:38Z<p>yeah, if you had 1 non-tanked mental stat we'd have some wiggle room with feats, traits, or multi-classing. But as is you just don't have anything to work with. You'll never be better at someone who cared to do a skill.</p>yeah, if you had 1 non-tanked mental stat we'd have some wiggle room with feats, traits, or multi-classing. But as is you just don't have anything to work with. You'll never be better at someone who cared to do a skill.Chess Pwn2016-12-07T06:19:38ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Finlanderboyhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#32016-12-07T06:05:42Z2016-12-07T06:05:42Z<p>you built this guy to level 4 to focus on combat at the expense of skills. You dug yourself a huge hole that will be hard to get out of. </p>
<p>Your perception is your really only strong out of combat skill. Focus on that. If i had your character I would focus on buffign that. Get a master work magnifying glass to help you search things. Eyes of the eagle for 2500 can bump it another 5. SO you can find things and point out danger.</p>
<p>Then just live with your character being dumb. You built him to be dumb after all.</p>you built this guy to level 4 to focus on combat at the expense of skills. You dug yourself a huge hole that will be hard to get out of.
Your perception is your really only strong out of combat skill. Focus on that. If i had your character I would focus on buffign that. Get a master work magnifying glass to help you search things. Eyes of the eagle for 2500 can bump it another 5. SO you can find things and point out danger.
Then just live with your character being dumb. You built him to be...Finlanderboy2016-12-07T06:05:42ZRe: Forums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Chess Pwnhttps://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#22016-12-07T05:49:33Z2016-12-07T05:49:33Z<p>All I can say is ouch. The 18 con does not seem wOrth the Dumpped mental stats. You pretty much locked yourself out of doing anything out of combat with those stats. Recommendation, go for knowledge that no one has our survival. If no one else had it you being bad is still better, though it may never come up too</p>All I can say is ouch. The 18 con does not seem wOrth the Dumpped mental stats. You pretty much locked yourself out of doing anything out of combat with those stats. Recommendation, go for knowledge that no one has our survival. If no one else had it you being bad is still better, though it may never come up tooChess Pwn2016-12-07T05:49:33ZForums: Advice: [PFS][Advice]Please Help a Dumb Barbarian!Agraic (alias of Wei Ji the Learner)https://paizo.com/threads/rzs2u24n?PFSAdvicePlease-Help-a-Dumb-Barbarian#12016-12-07T17:41:22Z2016-12-07T05:14:27Z<p><b>"Howdy! So, like I'm in the Scarab Sages and things because they're cool folks and I really like how they do stuff. But, I'll be honest, I'm not very smart.</p>
<p>How do I do stuff that the Society will allow on the 'cheap' <span class=messageboard-ooc>As I'm jus' startin' out-ish</span> t' help me do research an' things on missions?</p>
<p>Thank y' f'r y'r time in advance!"</b></p>
<p><span class=messageboard-ooc>My poor barbarian felt kind of overwhelmed on his last mission, and I'm trying to figure out ways that are PFS-legal and inexpensive (aside from leveling up and stat-items (like belt/headband/whatnot) to get him to a point he's not feeling QUITE as dumb when he's helping.</span></p>
<p>[Spoiler omitted]</p>"Howdy! So, like I'm in the Scarab Sages and things because they're cool folks and I really like how they do stuff. But, I'll be honest, I'm not very smart.
How do I do stuff that the Society will allow on the 'cheap' As I'm jus' startin' out-ish t' help me do research an' things on missions?
Thank y' f'r y'r time in advance!"
My poor barbarian felt kind of overwhelmed on his last mission, and I'm trying to figure out ways that are PFS-legal and inexpensive (aside from leveling up and...Agraic (alias of Wei Ji the Learner)2016-12-07T05:14:27Z