The Maw |
Been wracking my brain with what class would be best for a swashbuckler too dip into in order too get evasion, monk, rogue or barbarian.
Monk - get bonus feat with the first lvl, prolly take dodge, and two more feats at the second dip, a long with evasion.
Rogue - sneak damage of an extra d6, rogue trick which can be a combat feat, and another feat with the second dip
Barbarian - extra movement at first dip, and then evasion.
Pls help, any advice will help.
Dwarftr |
Well, depending on your stat sets......
If you go the monk route, do you plan on not wearing armor or using shield? if not, you need to have higher stats in wisdom and dex to increase your ac. The extra feats are the bonus here, plus not having to worry about having your weapon all the time.....
For me here, the rogue route would seem like the better option to compliment the swashbuckler. Extra skills/points, the sneak att while only a d6 can be increased with feats, and the rogue talent gives you multipule options to adjust and round out your char.
I not saying monk is bad, i really like monks and 9/10 times i would pick monk, but depending on what your planning as a whole, i think rogue would fit your better.
Just my opinion, hope it helps
Firebug |
I like Monk. My Swashbuckler is a Flying Blade archetype, and picked up 2 levels of Far Strike archetype Monk for the 3 bonus feats(Combat Reflexes, Precise Shot), Quick Draw, and the ability to flurry with thrown daggers. Since it can all be with 1 weapon (as per flurry) I grabbed the Startoss Style chain, and Ricochet Toss.
However, Swashbuckler does get Evasion, Uncanny Dodge and Improved Uncanny Dodge at level 11, as long as they have 1 point of panache. Also immunity to disarm, steal and sunder against your weapon.
SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
Arutema |
I think monk evasion only works if you are not wearing armor.
Rogue evasion works in light armor.So, it really depends on whether or not if you plan on wearing armor.
Depending on your build, take the Scaled Fist archetype from Legacy of Dragons for your monk levels. You now have Cha instead of Wis to AC when unarmored.
SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
SmiloDan wrote:Depending on your build, take the Scaled Fist archetype from Legacy of Dragons for your monk levels. You now have Cha instead of Wis to AC when unarmored.I think monk evasion only works if you are not wearing armor.
Rogue evasion works in light armor.So, it really depends on whether or not if you plan on wearing armor.
If that's an option, choose that! +2 to Fort and Will for the win!
Shinzaemon |
@Firebug: That flying blade/ far strike monk build of yours is one of my favorite swash builds I have ever seen. Saw it on that dagger damage thread recently and really loved it. kudos.
I bring that up to say you should definitely look at that build Maw. I think it's a perfect example of how much a monk dip can do for a build with it's feat efficiency. Even if you're not going the thrown weapon route, Monk does so much more for combat manuever based builds, which swashes are usually interested in persuing.
If you're considering a rogue dip I'd say 4 levels of unchained rogue (using the thug and scout archetypes) would be a stronger than two since it sets you up with a very nice debuffing attack and dex to hit and damage for your finessable weapon of choice. I know it's a more extensive dip, but I think it's exactly the kind of thing a mobile swashbuckler wants.
Either option would be strong, but if you're looking for a smaller dip (2 levels) then I would say go monk
Nomadical |
Depending on your build, take the Scaled Fist archetype from Legacy of Dragons for your monk levels. You now have Cha instead of Wis to AC when unarmored.
The Scaled Fist can be applied to an Unchained Monk, so you don't lose BAB progression or take an hp hit, tho you do lose out on Will saves.