Blackjack prestige.

[arcanine]

If I go black jack fighter archetype for 2 levels and then at level 6 I go furious Guardian for 2 levels or eldritch knight?

I can take the formal training at level 8 and select a team work feat ;as if I am a blackjack fighter.
If I am a eldritch fighter can I use my bonus feat to select a teamwork feat as if I am a blackjack fighter? Meaning I do not need to meet the prerequisite for it? Or do I need to meet the prerequisites?

[dragonhunterq]

You would need to meet the pre-requisites.
Classes are all written as if they will be your only class. So classes and class abilities only apply to the class granting them unless specifically stated otherwise.
This means that the blackjack fighter ability to ignore feat pre-reqs only applies to feats granted by the black jack fighter class.

[arcanine]

dragonhunterq wrote:

You would need to meet the pre-requisites.

Classes are all written as if they will be your only class. So classes and class abilities only apply to the class granting them unless specifically stated otherwise.
This means that the blackjack fighter ability to ignore feat pre-reqs only applies to feats granted by the black jack fighter class.

It also says I meet the prerequisite for any feat I would have been able to select from any fighter levels I mave gained previously.

[dragonhunterq]

This fighter archetype?

I'm not seeing where you can ignore pre-requisites for teamwork feats.

Also, the diverse training of Eldritch Knight just allows you to add your EK levels to your Fighter levels for feat qualification - so if you were fighter 1/wizard 5/EK3 you could qualify for weapon specialisation (requiring fighter 4). It does not allow you to meet the pre-requisites for any feat you would have been able to select, nor does it allow you to treat your EK levels as fighter levels for any other purpose.

[Kazaan]

arcanine wrote:

If I go black jack fighter archetype for 2 levels and then at level 6 I go furious Guardian for 2 levels or eldritch knight?

I can take the formal training at level 8 and select a team work feat ;as if I am a blackjack fighter.
If I am a eldritch fighter can I use my bonus feat to select a teamwork feat as if I am a blackjack fighter? Meaning I do not need to meet the prerequisite for it? Or do I need to meet the prerequisites?

I think you're severely misunderstanding a few rules here.

First, Blackjack doesn't get the ability to take bonus feats without prereqs. They just can choose Teamwork feats or (Improved) Iron Will in addition to the normal option of taking a Combat feat, but just as a vanilla Fighter, they still need to meet prereqs of whatever feat they take.

Second, the Bonus Feats ability for Fighter, modified by the Blackjack archetype, is an entirely separate and distinct class feature compared to the Bonus Feats ability for Eldritch Knight. Even though they are named the same, they are two completely separate abilities and the modifications made to the Fighter version by the Blackjack archetype can't be carried over to the EK version.

Third, I'll presume you're talking about EK's Diverse Training ability, but this doesn't treat your Fighter level higher for accessing Fighter class abilities; only for satisfying feat prereqs. And even if it did allow you access to the Blackjack Tactics ability, that only lets a group of Blackjacks temporarily share a Teamwork feat that one of them possesses among the group. The people being granted use of the feat don't need to meet the prereq, but it relies on someone having the Teamwork feat already, presumably having met the prereqs unless some other rules element says they have it sans prereqs.

That having been said, some Teamwork feats are also Combat feats so EK would be able to access any Teamwork feats that happen to be Combat feats via the EK version of Bonus Feats, and then use that feat with Blackjack Tactics to share with a group of other Blackjacks.

[arcanine]

dragonhunterq wrote:

This fighter archetype?

I'm not seeing where you can ignore pre-requisites for teamwork feats.

Also, the diverse training of Eldritch Knight just allows you to add your EK levels to your Fighter levels for feat qualification - so if you were fighter 1/wizard 5/EK3 you could qualify for weapon specialisation (requiring fighter 4). It does not allow you to meet the pre-requisites for any feat you would have been able to select, nor does it allow you to treat your EK levels as fighter levels for any other purpose.

Ok that makes sense.

Yes, I was thinking it followed the same rules of the sohei monk. As they can select any mounted feat with out needing to meet the prerequisite.

[arcanine]

Kazaan wrote:

arcanine wrote:

If I go black jack fighter archetype for 2 levels and then at level 6 I go furious Guardian for 2 levels or eldritch knight?

I can take the formal training at level 8 and select a team work feat ;as if I am a blackjack fighter.
If I am a eldritch fighter can I use my bonus feat to select a teamwork feat as if I am a blackjack fighter? Meaning I do not need to meet the prerequisite for it? Or do I need to meet the prerequisites?

I think you're severely misunderstanding a few rules here.

First, Blackjack doesn't get the ability to take bonus feats without prereqs. They just can choose Teamwork feats or (Improved) Iron Will in addition to the normal option of taking a Combat feat, but just as a vanilla Fighter, they still need to meet prereqs of whatever feat they take.

Second, the Bonus Feats ability for Fighter, modified by the Blackjack archetype, is an entirely separate and distinct class feature compared to the Bonus Feats ability for Eldritch Knight. Even though they are named the same, they are two completely separate abilities and the modifications made to the Fighter version by the Blackjack archetype can't be carried over to the EK version.

Third, I'll presume you're talking about EK's Diverse Training ability, but this doesn't treat your Fighter level higher for accessing Fighter class abilities; only for satisfying feat prereqs. And even if it did allow you access to the Blackjack Tactics ability, that only lets a group of Blackjacks temporarily share a Teamwork feat that one of them possesses among the group. The people being granted use of the feat don't need to meet the prereq, but it relies on someone having the Teamwork feat already, presumably having met the prereqs unless some other rules element says they have it sans prereqs.

That having been said, some Teamwork feats are also Combat feats so EK would be able to access any Teamwork feats that happen to be Combat feats via the EK version of Bonus Feats, and then use that feat with...

So the blackjack could not select any team work feat? I thought it used the same language as the sohei monk. I think the can get any mounted feat and don't need to meet the prerequisite for them. They could take things like trick riding with out meeting the prerequisite. At level 2.

[Kazaan]

The Monk bonus feats ability specifically lets them disregard prerequisites. Sohei simply adds to the list of qualifying feats. But Fighter's bonus feats ability doesn't excuse you from satisfying prerequisites; you must meet the prereqs of a feat you take via Fighter bonus feats (as well as Eldritch Knight). Blackjack adds Teamwork Feats to the Fighter's list but, other than that, you can't take either Combat or Teamwork feats without the prereqs and you can't get a Teamwork Feat using Eldritch Knight's Bonus Feats ability simply due to being able to do so with Fighter due to a Fighter archetype.