Just Watched A Grown Man Throw A Tantrum Over A CCG


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Rysky wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
TriOmegaZero wrote:
Would this be notable if the person in question was trying to sell his junker automobile?
Yes, because the tantrum involved throwing his wares across the parking lot.
Please oh please someone tell or link a story of someone rolling their car in a tantrum after being unable to sell it.

Not about selling the car but here is an example of somebody wrecking their car (and their phone) in a tantrum.

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Rysky wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Seriously though, you're right; a man threw a tantrum over not being able to sell stuff for as much as he wanted, not over a CCG.
Uhh, CCG=collectible card game

Yes...?

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Rysky wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Seriously though, you're right; a man threw a tantrum over not being able to sell stuff for as much as he wanted, not over a CCG.
Uhh, CCG=collectible card game

Yes. Throwing a tantrum over a game does imply the person was actually playing the game, not trying to sell their gaming gear.

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KingOfAnything wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Jiggy wrote:
Seriously though, you're right; a man threw a tantrum over not being able to sell stuff for as much as he wanted, not over a CCG.
Uhh, CCG=collectible card game
Yes. Throwing a tantrum over a game does imply the person was actually playing the game, not trying to sell their gaming gear.

*scratches head*

K, the title didn't read off to me since "throwing a tantrum over a CCG" is correct, just not in the way that would be expected on here.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
I have a friend who bought tons and tons of action figures in the 80s and 90s, keeping them in the packages because he believed they'd increase in value so he could afford to send his daughter to college with the profits he'd make on them one day. I never really said anything to him, because he believed so strongly they'd increase in value, but I believed that he was spending a lot of money on items that would decrease in value to the point of near worthlessness. And when he did try to sell them on eBay or other such venues he was sorely disappointed. He had a handful that increased in value, but compared to the hundreds he had purchased it was just a huge boondoggle.

Yeah... I remember about 15 years ago, a coworker I didn't know all that well was telling me how she was cashing out her 401(K) to invest in Beanie Babies. ("They're inceasing in value by 200% or more! You'd be crazy not to!!") Um...yeah.

And another person I know did someting similar but with a much higher level of commitment: She spent her entire retirement savings to buy a herd of alpacas.


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:/

I remember the early 90s when here in Arkansas people were buying emus like they were going out of style. Of course they did, and people were stuck with very large flocks of them.


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*Mixes a drink for himself*

So, when I was out today, a person - probably, but not definitely, homeless - walked across the street against the signals right in front of the vehicle I was in. He was holding up traffic, and in no particular hurry to get across. He certainly didn't look terribly bothered by what he was doing.

I didn't blame or judge him for what looked like poor circumstances in his life. I did blame him for behaving in a way that put himself, and other people, in danger. Doubly so because this was near a major medical part of the city, and traffic snarls there can quite literally cost people their lives.

You can't always have wealth and glory in your life - but you can always have class. Don't behave rudely towards people who are just doing their job, and don't make things more dangerous for other people. It doesn't hurt you to display the minimal amount of socially acceptable behavior, even when times are tough.

...

I think that's all I have to say about this subject. ^^

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Haladir wrote:
And another person I know did someting similar but with a much higher level of commitment: She spent her entire retirement savings to buy a herd of alpacas.

Alpacas are cuddly.


But they'll spit on you for laughs.

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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
But they'll spit on you for laughs.

;_;

I thought that was just camels...

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It's not so much a lack of empathy. At a certain age pulling tantrums like that is immature imo. If I tried that now at 43 years old. Both my father and my granddad (if he was still alive). Would both walk up behind me, smack me behind the head and go "what the hell is wrong with you. Your old enough to have a family" or something to that effect. Unless the card flinger has mental health issues I'm not too sympathetic. It's acting childish because selling his cards did not work in his favor.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
But they'll spit on you for laughs.

;_;

I thought that was just camels...

Nope. Alpacas, llamas, vicunas, and camels are all closely related but their temperaments do differ. I used to work for Heifer International and we had a ranch which show cased some of the types of animals that could be donated to poor farmers around the world. The camels spit and slobbered all over you and the llamas would spit for no apparent reason. We learned that all members of the camel family would do this.


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DungeonmasterCal wrote:
Rysky wrote:
DungeonmasterCal wrote:
But they'll spit on you for laughs.

;_;

I thought that was just camels...

Nope. Alpacas, llamas, vicunas, and camels are all closely related but their temperaments do differ. I used to work for Heifer International and we had a ranch which show cased some of the types of animals that could be donated to poor farmers around the world. The camels spit and slobbered all over you and the llamas would spit for no apparent reason. We learned that all members of the camel family would do this.

Camelidae have to take their vengeance upon man in some fashion, for the end Pleistocene extinctions.


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I only know of one person who played Yu-Gi-Oh!

Former co-worker, about twelve years ago.

We had gotten bricks in of boosters to sell from Corporate.

Former co-worker would volunteer to stock them.

No big deal.

...until the first return of several packages that a customer claimed had been opened and then taped shut, with the rare and uncommon missing.

Attempting to replace the packages, all of the stocked packages were found to be in a similar state.

Loss Prevention was notified.

...don't need to go much further on this, do I?


I saw a group of 4 Chinese kids at an FLGS get into a table flipping, card throwing, and a physical fight over a Yu-Gi-Oh! game once.


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I've spoken about Yu-Gi-Oh on this message boards before, I think.

Not sure what it is about the game, but my God... It causes fights. Humongous ones. Magic cannot hold a candle to it in that regard. I have seen near riots break out during release days, seen kids beat each other up mercilessly over the cards, and have heard tell of players hiring old school thieves to steal magazines fill of the cards- not so that they could play the game themselves with stolen cards, but so that they could sell the cards to other players to make a profit. Maybe it's the way the game is set up?


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Freehold,

Maybe it's a curse like Ju-on.


The cartoon was all about destroying others souls and minds.
Best toss it in the same hole with the ouija board and bury it.
Salt and burn it first.

I'm just kidding. If you really believe in the heart of the cards that way, get help.


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Freehold DM wrote:

I've spoken about Yu-Gi-Oh on this message boards before, I think.

Not sure what it is about the game, but my God... It causes fights. Humongous ones. Magic cannot hold a candle to it in that regard. I have seen near riots break out during release days, seen kids beat each other up mercilessly over the cards, and have heard tell of players hiring old school thieves to steal magazines fill of the cards- not so that they could play the game themselves with stolen cards, but so that they could sell the cards to other players to make a profit. Maybe it's the way the game is set up?

Which is why I only play RPGs. If something goes wrong in a session, we can always blame the dice. :)

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I have some stories of someone throwing a tantrum over actually playing a CCG. I was playing a local booster draft Magic tournament back in the 90s(Ice Age/Alliances to place it timewise), and one of my opponents actually threated to punch me if a played a certain card(after tapping the mana to play just that card). He had just played an artifact that would have turned the game around for him, sadly for him I had a Disenchant. He swore at me repeatedly then stormed off, leaving in the middle of the game. I had to go get a judge to call it. Not sure what happened to his cards which he just left there. The prize for this tournament was a single box of boosters - not exactly life changing.

Another story involves a time when I was bragging a bit about my prowess with sealed deck - I used to often win local level tournaments sealed - and one of the players in my college gaming group decided to make me "prove it." He bought me a sealed deck and had me play against his "tuned" tournament deck. When I beat him he shouted, threw cards, and swore never to play Magic again. Then he came back a few hours later having tuned his deck to combat that specific sealed deck. It was kind of sad.

A story more like the OP - one time I was hanging out at a local game store, and someone sent them (unsolicited) a box with 3000 common cards in it, with a letter explaining how these cards were all listed for sale at 10 cents each on the website so the sender would be expecting his $300 check presently. I'm not sure what the final result of that interaction was, I do know the sender wasn't getting $300, and the store wasn't going to pay shipping to send the cards back.

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A story about an inferred meltdown over CCG, back when I was a wee little Rysky, YuGiOh had just come stateside and after watching the anime my Dad took me our local gaming shop to get some cards. Now to recollection they came in three formats, standard little booster, big ol box to show to contain all said boosters, and a case that prominently showed off a certain card and had a prebuilt deck in it.

Little Rysky knew absolutely about how this was set up other than small thing, big thing, bigger thing, and my dad knew absolutely nothing about CCG either. So we go up to the cashier and ask about them and they scan a booster, and tell us the total. We ask about the closed and contents unknown bigger box next to them with the YuGiOh imagery all over them. Cashier gets them down and halfheartedly scans (or not) and it comes up to the same price as the booster. Hey that one is bigger, let's just that then. So we did.

And that's how at the height of the craze and our shock when we got into the car I got a whole Booster Box of YugiOh cards for a little over $5.


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Rysky, how much did you play after that?

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Rysky, how much did you play after that?

Hmm, I don't know. A year or so? Maybe more? Even into our early teens we'd get the decks out and play every so often.

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In several years of Magic: the Gathering, both in tournaments and casual play, I've seen exactly two instances of unsportsmanlike conduct (or three, if "irritated tone of voice" counts). One guy made a play based on a wrong understanding of how his card's ability would work, and it cost him the game, and consequently I moved on to the Top 8 instead of him, as our match was "win and in". He was visibly agitated and seemed pretty eager to get out of there after signing his match slip, but that's about it. Didn't throw anything, no yelling or name-calling, just upset.

The other time was during a draft at a friend's house, when I was drawing all the right cards to answer everything my friend played. When he eventually cast his five-mana planeswalker that could help him get back into the game and I casually counterspelled it, he angrily knocked his whole deck off the table. (To his credit, he did quickly calm down and apologize for the outburst.)


Was it Francis?

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Hey, it's not like he flipped the table. Just swiped his cards off the side.

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Sadly, FLGS are anything but when you account for forum submissions. All I read are stories about socially awkward people who smell bad at best, at worst violence and sexual assault. I don't doubt these things happen but I've never seen anything like what I am reading. Granted I don't spend a significant amount of time at LGS so maybe I'm just not putting in the time to see these things?


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Sadly, FLGS are anything but when you account for forum submissions. All I read are stories about socially awkward people who smell bad at best, at worst violence and sexual assault. I don't doubt these things happen but I've never seen anything like what I am reading. Granted I don't spend a significant amount of time at LGS so maybe I'm just not putting in the time to see these things?

First off, really loaded statements there.

Second, in some cases such activity is 'invisible' to folks who don't pick up on it.

As far as violence, sometimes it is so subtle that we don't pick up on it. Someone who spreads their things over a table and takes over half of it Truth in text, I've been guilty of this, I'm working on it. is being as aggressive as the person who takes a swing at a person, it's just a different approach and methodology.

In addition, sometimes words and their use are weapons.

There was a LARP group in our area a few years ago that adopted some MMO-parlance for sexual assault, and it pretty much took the women of the group walking out en masse at one point to drive the issue home. The folks that 'got it' stayed, the folks that thought this was being 'oversensitive' were disinvited.

Caution in care in all dealings is the key to learning how to work with a group of people.

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Pan wrote:
Sadly, FLGS are anything but when you account for forum submissions. All I read are stories about socially awkward people who smell bad at best, at worst violence and sexual assault. I don't doubt these things happen but I've never seen anything like what I am reading. Granted I don't spend a significant amount of time at LGS so maybe I'm just not putting in the time to see these things?

Well, only the bad stories get talked about.

I mean, I was playing Friday Night Magic for a few years, and everyone was unfailingly polite and courteous, week after week after week. And that's with 40-50 people per tournament, with expensive prizes on the line. Then I was out of the game for a few years, and now I'm playing weekend Modern Magic tournaments without a lick of trouble. Also, the events I go to now run parallel to Magic Kids' League, and come right after the local Pokémon CCG tourney, so I get to see a bit of those events, and even with kids everybody's happy and well-behaved and very respectful.

Meanwhile, professional Magic competitions travel the globe, with 1-2 thousand players in many of the events and prizes reaching upwards of 40-50 thousand dollars for 1st place; and yet, even with so many people and so much on the line, stories of poor behavior or cheating or whatever else are so rare as to be huge, shocking news when they do come up.


I did see a card collection thrown in anger once. But it had nothing to do with pricing or CCGs, it was a domestic dispute unrelated to the game in any way... well maybe his blowing too much money on a game did come up.

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Yeah, the vast majority of my experience playing at local stores are neutral or friendly. Stories like these stick out because they are actually unusual, to the point where I still remember them nearly 20 years later.

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Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


As far as violence, sometimes it is so subtle that we don't pick up on it. Someone who spreads their things over a table and takes over half of it Truth in text, I've been guilty of this, I'm working on it. is being as aggressive as the person who takes a swing at a person, it's just a different approach and methodology.

Could you unpack this for me? Are you saying taking up space on a table is violently aggressive, and on a similar level as actually attacking someone physically?


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I used to play regularly at a really large and very nice FLGS about 25 miles from where I live (until my anxiety issues got to the point I had to quit). That's where I saw the Chinese kids break out into a physical fight and get banned from the store. I saw a woman (a gf or wife) of a player come in and knock all his WH40K figures (and those of others) off the table because she was wanting to go out that night with friends and he'd apparently sneaked off to play Warhammer without telling her so she was stuck at home with the kid (who she'd dragged into the store to watch all this), and of course the awkward kids who didn't quite know how to act in public (getting angry over rulings, CRYING over rulings, etc).

But these are just a tiny handful of incidents. My ratio of good experiences far outweigh the bad ones when it comes to FLGS'. Of course, it also depends on the stores themselves and how well they're run, but I've been lucky to have played at a couple of really good stores when I was able to get out more.


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Pan wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


As far as violence, sometimes it is so subtle that we don't pick up on it. Someone who spreads their things over a table and takes over half of it Truth in text, I've been guilty of this, I'm working on it. is being as aggressive as the person who takes a swing at a person, it's just a different approach and methodology.
Could you unpack this for me? Are you saying taking up space on a table is violently aggressive, and on a similar level as actually attacking someone physically?

Yeah, I had that concern as well. When you start to equate non-violent things with violence you are on a quick trip to rabbit-hole town.

Is unpacking your stuff over a large part of the table territorial? Yes

Aggressive? Maybe, but it would greatly depend on the circumstances including for how long, if anyone else was looking to make use of space, etc, etc.

Violent? Unless you picked up someone else's stuff and threw it across the room (perhaps hitting someone else or destroying something) then I'm going with no.

Unless you are trying to use the Starship Troopers definition. "Violence, the ultimate authority from with all other authority is derived." Followed by "Acts of force, including voting, are violent." Then sure, but in regular contemporary English, not so much.


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Unless you are trying to use the Starship Troopers definition. "Violence, the ultimate authority from with all other authority is derived." Followed by "Acts of force, including voting, are violent." Then sure, but in regular contemporary English, not so much.

I don't know how they vote where you are, but it can get pretty hairy around here.

New Heavy-Duty Voting Machine Allows Americans To Take Out Frustration On It Before Casting Ballot


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Nobody's posted a "Cool things at your FLGS" thread yet. If they do, it will be substantially less entertaining than these threads, sad to say. ;P


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I considered doing that KC, something like "put the F back in LGS" but then realized it probably wouldn't be a good idea for a title...


It's ironic that someone acted like they were gushing blood over someone using too much table space, in a topic about someone acting like they were gushing blood about not getting a big offer on their card collection.:)


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Pan wrote:
Sadly, FLGS are anything but when you account for forum submissions. All I read are stories about socially awkward people who smell bad at best, at worst violence and sexual assault. I don't doubt these things happen but I've never seen anything like what I am reading. Granted I don't spend a significant amount of time at LGS so maybe I'm just not putting in the time to see these things?

Well, only the bad stories get talked about.

indeed. Sane and reasonable do not make the 10 o clock news.

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I have a friend who bought tons and tons of action figures in the 80s and 90s, keeping them in the packages because he believed they'd increase in value so he could afford to send his daughter to college with the profits he'd make on them one day. I never really said anything to him, because he believed so strongly they'd increase in value, but I believed that he was spending a lot of money on items that would decrease in value to the point of near worthlessness. And when he did try to sell them on eBay or other such venues he was sorely disappointed. He had a handful that increased in value, but compared to the hundreds he had purchased it was just a huge boondoggle.
I read a story about a family that tried the same thing with beanie babies. Yeah didn't turn out well for them.

Yeah - anything which is created & sold specifically to be collectable very rarely goes up in value.

Early baseball cards are worth big bucks specifically because no one at the time thought they were anything more than a novelty, and people didn't bother taking care of them. My father told me that he put them in his bicycle wheels because they made a cool sound when he rode it.

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People who have anger management issues are going to have issues managing their anger. Not to be captain obvious, but someone who will throw a tantrum over a CCG will probably throw a tantrum over something much smaller than a CCG, regardless of age. (In fact, I see more "tantrums" from grown men than just about anyone else.)


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Yeah - anything which is created & sold specifically to be collectable very rarely goes up in value.

Exactly. Even things that have collectible value (coins, bank notes, antique furniture, art) usually get the caveat that you should buy them because you like them, not for potential future value.

I collect bank notes (paper currency, both US and foreign) and every reputable dealer in the field made sure to tell me that if I want to invest, I should buy stocks and bonds. I haven't got the slightest intention of ever selling my collection, and would assume I'd take a loss if I did, so I think it's all about going in with your eyes open and without unrealistic expectations.

Sounds like the guy in the OP may have believed the hype...

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Michelle A.J. wrote:
(In fact, I see more "tantrums" from grown men than just about anyone else.)

Is it any wonder? We're told from birth that the only emotion we're allowed to show is anger, so all that emotional energy has to go somewhere.

:(

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Yeah - anything which is created & sold specifically to be collectable very rarely goes up in value.

Exactly. Even things that have collectible value (coins, bank notes, antique furniture, art) usually get the caveat that you should buy them because you like them, not for potential future value.

I collect bank notes (paper currency, both US and foreign) and every reputable dealer in the field made sure to tell me that if I want to invest, I should buy stocks and bonds. I haven't got the slightest intention of ever selling my collection, and would assume I'd take a loss if I did, so I think it's all about going in with your eyes open and without unrealistic expectations.

Sounds like the guy in the OP may have believed the hype...

Old coins/antiques/art can go up decently (though you're right that they don't really keep up with the S&P 500 in the long-term) but that's because they weren't created specifically to be collectable like modern sports cards, some 90's comics, or beanie babies.


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some 90's comics

Oh man, I remember the various Marvel comics with the twelve different variant covers, usually on the first issues of series that would barely survive a year. I suspect there are a lot of "investors" waiting for those to inch up from their $1.25 cover price.

I am occasionally surprised that things like the first edition AD&D DMG only go for ~$30 but I guess there were just so many produced they don't really move the needle in terms of collectibility. I've heard that the first "wood grain" D&D boxes (hand assembled on Gary Gygax' kitchen table) can go for upwards of $5000 in good condition.


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At a local Magic tournament, I had an opponent call me some very unsavory names. Because every time he cheated I would call the judge and get it ruled against him. The kid accused me of being a homosexual woman by the end, yet sadly, he won (straight up by the rules) and the judge refused to throw him out for his poor sportsmanship and bad behavior.

I'm guessing the guy in the OP though his collection had all high value cards because the CCG is fun to play. Not how it works, of course.

My Magic collection, which I'll be selling off in the near-ish future, is 30K cards collected over my 20 years of play. I expect to get an average of about $0.50 per card when I'm done. That said, most of the value is going to come from the 1.5K to 2K high value cards. The remainder I will likely just donate to the local school district for the after school programs.

Know your collection, know the value, KEEP IT ON YOUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE IN CASE OF FIRE (seriously, had a friend lose his whole high-value collection that way with no coverage), and you won't have to throw a tantrum when you need/want to sell cards.

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My Magic collection, which I'll be selling off in the near-ish future

......Whaddya got?


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Yeah - anything which is created & sold specifically to be collectable very rarely goes up in value.

That's exactly what I told my friend who collected action figures, Star Trek and Star Wars in particular. If it says "collectible" on the box, it's not going to be worth much at all later, which he found out to his chagrin.


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Let's just repeat for those in the back: This isn't really about the CCG. It's about money. He threw a tantrum over money.

I took in my D&D books a few months back, when we were in a really bad place financially. I was even parting with books like Draconomicon and Tome of Magic, which were old favorites. Our FLGS didn't buy a thing. We're talking hundreds of dollars of D&D books—and by lowest-value used Amazon prices, this collection was still worth at least $80—but they already had all the books we were offering, so of course they had no interest.

It wasn't shocking, and no tantrums were thrown, but it was very upsetting. On the bright side, we're starting to reach the other end of the tunnel (hopefully), and this way I still have all my books. ;D

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