Can we worship evil gods?


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Yes guys I was planning on starting an Occultist (Reliquarian) of Norgorber and I was wondering if we have the right to worship an evil god in PFS? I mean if the character is Neutral it should be legal right?

Furthermore how do these characters are perceive at the table? Maybe you run into a few of them? Are they jerks or team players? I mean I would like to create that character but if it's only a disappointment to the GM there is no point in doing that. And of course I'm planning to play him as a Neutral not as an evil backstaber.

***** Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Tampere aka Rei

There's an extremely comprehensive list of legal deities here (I linked to the most recent post with the document that contains the full list).

Perceptions of characters who worship evil deities vary greatly by area, is my guess. Some areas are more willing to accept players and characters who are into evil deities, others are less so. I've run an inquisitor of Lao Shu Po, who is like the Tian equivalent of Norgorber, for a few years now and though there were initial shows of distaste between him and the cleric of Sarenrae he ended up adventuring with a lot, they came to an uneasy understanding.

A character can be a jerk regardless of what deity they worship. The religion rarely comes into it unless someone is really adamant about shoving the evilness of their deity into everyone's face.

Scarab Sages *** Venture-Agent, Finland—Oulu aka Shinae

You can worship evil god as long as your character is not evil. There is even cleric archetype Asmodean Advocate that worships Asmodeus and it's PFS legal.

Haven't had any problem with said characters in table. Personally I think they bring roleplaying flavor to sessions. Worshipping evil god doesn't mean said characters need to be jerks or that they can't cooperate with other pathfinders.


Alright thanks you for the insight! That was the answers I was hoping to get.

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I have an 11 level LN cleric of Asmodeus. He was part of the Cheliax faction. (I haven't played him since the switch over to Dark Archive.

He was allot of fun to play. I remember he would occasionally but heads with the Andorans over slavery. If it was debtors slavery or something legally contractually obtained, he would voice an objection because the slavers were legit business men, however if the slaves were illegally obtained...ie Kidnapped or press ganged......he would happily undo such an illegal situation.

I also remember one situation where our PCs had some thieves we had captured.

Spoiler:
they had invaded a pathfinder lodge and killed the inhabitants and posed as pathfinders.
Some PCs wanted to execute them on the spot.

The paladin objected. My character also objected....We both wanted them turned over to the authorities. The paladin wanted to do this because it was the lawful thing to do....the cleric of Asmodeus wanted to do it because it was the lawful thing to do.
Then the player with the paladin said....yeah My character agrees with him....wait my paladin is agreeing with the cleric of asmodeus......and I replied... "see its not that hard to work together"

good times.

But playing my LN Cleric of Asmodeus, I was never a jerk to other players, faultlessly polite, and with his Negative channeling, I made sure I never damaged my comrades with that ability. He would often be the face of the party.

good times .

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I have a couple of characters who worship evil gods.

Nana is a half-orc CN cleric of Lamashtu from Belkzen. But Nana is a total sweetie. She's a separatist (animal domain) who follows the "Holy Mama", a goddess of motherhood, certainly not a demon lord! Nana knows "angel words" (Abyssal, but she thinks it's what angels speak) via the unintentional linguist trait. She sees fiends as angels, and the uglier a creature appears the more beautiful it is to Nana. All creatures deserve a mother's love. She's level 8 now, and a lot of fun to play.

Tooth & Claw is a LN tengu divine verminous hunter with a giant mantis companion. He follows Achaekek, the Blood God. Tooth wanted to join the Red Mantis but they wouldn't let him in. He has his own interpretation of the Blood God's faith: it is sinful to kill without payment (unless in self-defence); mortals should follow true gods (following false gods is the worst sin). He's a sovereign court member because Achaekek supports rule by divine right.

As long as you have a suitable concept for the character, and solid reasoning why he/she/it should work with the Pathfinder Society and Explore, Report & Cooperate, the various (authorised) evil deities present lots of opportunities.

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"Pharasma forbid! When the lady of graves commanded me to join the Pathfinder Society to hunt down undead in the ancient tombs we tend to explore, I'm sure she never intended me to work with such evil! And Norgorber?!? The god of murder!?!?! How could you even consider it?"

Sense Motive DC 27:
Julian is only pretending to be an inquisitor of Pharasma, and has an insane bluff check to back it up (that DC 27 is from taking 10 at level 5). He's actually an inquisitor of the Reaper of Reputations (Norgorber's aspect as the god of secrets).


I have a LN Half-Orc warpriest of Asmodeus, he has profession barrister but also gets along great with most parties as long as they are willing to owe him a favor in exchange for healing. Most people in my PFS group bring their own healing anyway so few ppl rarely owe him. But i find characters who worship Evil deities (especially lawful ones) will go out of their way to make sure people like them so no malcontent towards their deity is sowed.


Alright guys I can see that it's totally doable thanks! Nana seems really really fun!

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I looked over the list. What about Yog-Sothoth? He/She/It is a CN god and is not listed as being acceptable.

Sovereign Court *** Venture-Agent, Canada—Ontario—Toronto aka crashcanuck

All of the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods aren't allowed

***** Venture-Lieutenant, Finland—Tampere aka Rei

Michael Monn wrote:
I looked over the list. What about Yog-Sothoth? He/She/It is a CN god and is not listed as being acceptable.

From the Additional Resources entry for Inner Sea Gods: "Gods: all of the gods listed in the appendix are legal choices except daemon harbingers, great old ones, infernal dukes, malebranche, nascent demon lords, orc deities, outer gods, qlippoth lords, and whore queens."

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Minna Hiltula wrote:
Michael Monn wrote:
I looked over the list. What about Yog-Sothoth? He/She/It is a CN god and is not listed as being acceptable.
From the Additional Resources entry for Inner Sea Gods: "Gods: all of the gods listed in the appendix are legal choices except daemon harbingers, great old ones, infernal dukes, malebranche, nascent demon lords, orc deities, outer gods, qlippoth lords, and whore queens."

Alright, but what is the rational for this? You can hypothetically be a good cleric of some outer gods.

Scarab Sages

I would guess it's less "Evil gods" and more "Limit Lovecraft/horror stuff in our organized campaign out of respect for Chaosium and Call of Cthulhu." Or the domains might be deemed too good? Not sure.

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

you can worship whomever or whatever you want.

In PFS there are restrictions. The Guide, FAQ, and additional resources limit the choices. Still there's a HUGE selection.
Norgorber NE is on the approved list – Sources: Core Rulebook, The Inner Sea World Guide, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Gods and Magic, Pathfinder Campaign Setting: Inner Sea Gods (PC Alignment N)
Being that he is the god of secrets, his worshipers generally never admit to worshiping him, they always choose a cover story and carry a false holy symbol. see Julian's post above.

most people have a character concept and go with what feels right. Others filter based on the Domains they want. Some classes have a faith option to choose a "philosophy".

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Pretty sure because it's the territory of the 'edgy lords' that would want to use it as an excuse for any of a number of things, but could be mistaken.

In addition, that kind of ineffable madness at a table would be more than any one player could handle, much less the GM. Better to leave that for the home campaigns...

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

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Azathoth says that Yog-Sothoth is a decent guy. I don't know why he's been banned *whistling*

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Stephen Ross wrote:
Azathoth says that Yog-Sothoth is a decent guy. I don't know why he's been banned *whistling*

Too spicy.

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

Rysky wrote:
Stephen Ross wrote:
Azathoth says that Yog-Sothoth is a decent guy. I don't know why he's been banned *whistling*
Too spicy.

my handle is unique and not too spicy due to a vowel exchange...

Silver Crusade

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Stephen Ross wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Stephen Ross wrote:
Azathoth says that Yog-Sothoth is a decent guy. I don't know why he's been banned *whistling*
Too spicy.
my handle is unique and not too spicy due to a vowel interpolation...

... you're an exploding star.

Shadow Lodge ***** Venture-Agent, Texas—Dallas & Ft. Worth aka Azothath

Rysky wrote:
Stephen Ross wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Stephen Ross wrote:
Azathoth says that Yog-Sothoth is a decent guy. I don't know why he's been banned *whistling*
Too spicy.
my handle is unique and not too spicy due to a vowel interpolation...
... you're an exploding star.

just living at the edge of time where space vanishes and information can never quite make it into the horizon and simply reforms with new mass as uncertainty dictates. Pipe on sweet pipers, pipe on...

Dark Archive *****

Julian Lightfoot wrote:
"Pharasma forbid! When the lady of graves commanded me to join the Pathfinder Society to hunt down undead in the ancient tombs we tend to explore, I'm sure she never intended me to work with such evil! And Norgorber?!? The god of murder!?!?! How could you even consider it?"

Indeed good sir, I serve the goddess myself and find such thoughts deplorable.

DC12 Sense Motive:
You don't think he is talking about the same goddess.

Scarab Sages

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Basically, you can worship any evil god except demon lords, infernal dukes, daemon harbingers, whore queens, and the great old ones.

That said, if you worship and evil god as a cleric or other class with an aura, you will have an evil aura even if you are neutral. There are some scenarios where that might be a very bad thing, and could cause the scenario to be unsuccessful.

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I totally have a very insane cleric of Lamashtu in Core that joined the Silver Crusade ("WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!?!?") with Profession: Childcare. He's SC, in part, due the ability to take the trait that increases his aura strength. If I ever play him again, he'll start stunning lowbie paladins soon when they detect his OVERWHELMING EVIL AURA. :-D

The key is that the character should not be disruptive due to their deity. I've also got a Norgorberite arcane trickster named Rumor. Folks have generally enjoyed working with Rumor, though he makes sure to redact his name from their reports.

Grand Lodge ***

"Brawk! The Society is a great opportunity for devotees of Father Skinsaw, such as myself. Never a shortage of targets to slake my thirst for blood."

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Dexter T. Rose wrote:
"Brawk! The Society is a great opportunity for devotees of Father Skinsaw, such as myself. Never a shortage of targets to slake my thirst for blood."

Grey Master bless, brother, and may your blade always find a waiting kidney.

Dark Archive ****

"Murdering fiends!"

Julian is very much a spy who worships the Reaper of Reputations, not a murderer who worships Father Skinsaw. He's not exactly a good person, but he's not violent either. And he sees death as a wasted opportunity to find out what secrets people know.

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Soo... Grey Master, Father Skinsaw, Reaper of Reputations... are we missing one there?

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Ding!

"Poison is merely a tool. Murderous intent makes it into a tool for murder. As it is, it is merely a means to an end. It's a means to your end, if you don't get off my lawn."

Luon, crotchety old man and devotee of Blackfingers (though like any good worshiper of Norgorber, would never say that out loud).

Silver Crusade ****

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I really thought Asmodeus was, by far, the most popular evil god in Society play. I had no idea Norgorber was so popular.

Just as he intended.

Grand Lodge *

Lornis wrote:
Alright guys I can see that it's totally doable thanks! Nana seems really really fun!

Ooh, thank you very much! We can be friends! Does you want to make a baby with me? I has had six babies, I is very good at it! Blessed be the Mama!


My Tian diplomat worships Yaezhing, Judge of the Gods, Minister of Blood, Tian-Shu deity of murder, death, and extreme punishment.

...he's not really a diplomat.

-j

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Chun Hei bows shallowly.

"Yes, Yaezhing gives us the power to punish our enemies for their crimes."


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Michael Monn wrote:
Minna Hiltula wrote:
Michael Monn wrote:
I looked over the list. What about Yog-Sothoth? He/She/It is a CN god and is not listed as being acceptable.
From the Additional Resources entry for Inner Sea Gods: "Gods: all of the gods listed in the appendix are legal choices except daemon harbingers, great old ones, infernal dukes, malebranche, nascent demon lords, orc deities, outer gods, qlippoth lords, and whore queens."
Alright, but what is the rational for this? You can hypothetically be a good cleric of some outer gods.

Technically the rules might allow this but anyone who's ever played CoC would recognise this for the rubbish concept it is. Being a worshipper of the Old Ones means that you're just like one of those mad cultists and are pretty much a sociopath in that you're removing yourself from empathy with your fellow mortals.

That viewpoint simply isn't compatible with a good alignment. It is however extremely compatible with an evil one.


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Or anybody who's actually read Lovecraft's work...

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